From tankt@cris.com Sat Jun 10 09:54:42 PDT 1995 Article: 7001 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7001 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!warp.cris.com!usenet From: tankt@cris.com Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: NT slower than 3legd dog Explained at last! Date: 8 Jun 1995 16:23:57 GMT Organization: Vision Imaging Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3r786t$45k@warp.cris.com> References: <3qtvk5$j3b@cdn_mail.telecom.com.au> Reply-To: tankt@cris.com NNTP-Posting-Host: crc4.cris.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 In , jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) writes: >Just for your info.. > >1000 objects per scene >1000 lights per scene >1000 images per scene >32,000 bones per object (personally, I've only had a need for about >28,000 bones - the pop-up only takes 5 hours to go thru em!) >300 pounds per animator > >JG AHA! I'm too fat! That's why it's running slow on my system. ;) someone asked about my system, but my newsreader ditched my last post attempt into some nether-file I don't know enough about the platform to find, so I'll re-post the info: ASUS PCI/I-P54NP4 motherboard 256K Cache 48mb RAM 60mb Swap File 2 100mhz CPU's 1g WD Caviar 3.5" floppy Reveal 28.8 internal modem COM2 IRQ3 Reveal Mouse COM1 IRQ 4 Boca Ethernet Adapter, not utilized yet. Mitsumi 4X IDE CRDOM slaved to WD Caviar Tank Taylor Vision Imaging tankt@cris.com From tankt@cris.com Sat Jun 10 09:54:59 PDT 1995 Article: 7002 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7002 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!warp.cris.com!usenet From: tankt@cris.com Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: FS: Lightwave $750+sh Date: 8 Jun 1995 16:26:25 GMT Organization: Vision Imaging Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3r78bh$45k@warp.cris.com> Reply-To: tankt@cris.com NNTP-Posting-Host: crc4.cris.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 New batch of LW4.0 arrived today. These are going at $750 +sh No credit cards Tank Taylor Vision Imaging tankt@cris.com (916) 966-6744 From Harv@cup.portal.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:01 PDT 1995 Article: 7003 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7003 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!svc.portal.com!portal.com!cup.portal.com!Harv From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Babylon 5 Station Date: 8 Jun 1995 09:40:19 -0700 Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 20 Sender: pccop@unix.portal.com Message-ID: <140063@cup.portal.com> References: <0C7D99A0@talshiar.pp.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: news1.unix.portal.com >Have anybody the hole babylon 5 station. >Then please encode it to me. > >Mvh/Thomas (E-Mail Thomas_Axelsson@spectre.talshiar.pp.se) > (SOULGAZER NET 196:604/0) (FidoNet 2:201/639.0) > (InfoNet 42:105/105.0) > "Red Dawn WHQ for Tal Shiar" [PGP Public key available] > > A user-modeled version of the B5 station is on Light-ROM 2, a CD published by Fred Fish's Amiga Library Services, sold everywhere for US$40 or less. (send email to info@amigalib.com). The B5 station files add up to a bit under 1.5 meg of data. Why not just buy the CD? You'd get what you're after, as well as thousands of other useful LW models and related files. Harv harv@cup.portal.com From DonH@cup.portal.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:03 PDT 1995 Article: 7004 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7004 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!decwrl!svc.portal.com!portal.com!cup.portal.com!DonH From: DonH@cup.portal.com (Don - Hirschfeld) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: lha Date: 8 Jun 1995 10:40:14 -0700 Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 5 Sender: pccop@unix.portal.com Message-ID: <140066@cup.portal.com> References: <3r4bdh$o42@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news1.unix.portal.com The PC has its own version of LHA decompression. Search the net for LHARC.exe. I use it all the time. The only problem it has with Amiga files is dealing with long file names (which it truncates). Don From hodgie@expert.cc.purdue.edu Sat Jun 10 09:54:05 PDT 1995 Article: 7005 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7005 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!not-for-mail From: hodgie@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Roger) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: PCs - i`m sick of hearing about `em!! Date: 8 Jun 1995 13:52:19 -0500 Organization: Purdue University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3r7gt3$e4g@expert.cc.purdue.edu> References: <3qv3gf$d8g@News1.mcs.com> <3r4a9s$r97@metro.atlanta.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: expert.cc.purdue.edu Hey, Anybody know when they're going to port Lightwave to an abacus? With all these crusty old-timers out there, I thought I'd throw out the *original* computational device. :) I've never used an Altair, but I *did* have to build some simple logic devices for a class, once. Roger -- "You know, living in a world where nothing boring ever happens can be a real pisser" ---From the Young One's episode, "Boring" From glynw@cix.compulink.co.uk Sat Jun 10 09:54:39 PDT 1995 Article: 7006 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7006 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!btnet!news.compulink.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: glynw@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Glyn Williams") Subject: Re: Is more than 64meg possible on an MSdos PC?? Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange References: <802433311snz@bitmap.co.uk> Distribution: world Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 19:13:59 GMT X-News-Software: Ameol32 Lines: 3 Try Windows NT instead of DOS as the operating system. Glyn Williams From glynw@cix.compulink.co.uk Sat Jun 10 09:55:07 PDT 1995 Article: 7007 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7007 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!btnet!news.compulink.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: glynw@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Glyn Williams") Subject: More benchmark results Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange Distribution: world Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 19:14:00 GMT X-News-Software: Ameol32 Lines: 30 More Benchmark results. Here is the test, which I guess is a pretty typical TV quality image. Scene: Blade (the Tyrell building ) Frame 54 (The Spinner is in view) Camera: Trace Shadows ON Medium Resolution (Video) Limited Res 752x320 From 752x480 Pixel Ratio D2 Aspect 1.0 Adaptive Sampling (8) - Soft Filter on * Field Rendering OFF <--different from default. Motion Blur On (This frame needs a 9M segment to finish in 1 pass) Machine OS RAM Seg Size Time --------------------------------------------------------- DX266 Windows 95 20M 9M 50m DX266 Win4Wg 8M ? 85m P90 NT3.51 16M 9M 20m P90 NT3.51 16M 3M 19m P90 Win4Wg 32M ? 19m P90 NTs3.5 32M ? 19m Could we have some P120s,Amigas,Mips and Alphas to compare please. Please add your posting onto this list. Glyn Williams - Particle Systems Ltd. From hancom@crl.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:16 PDT 1995 Article: 7008 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7008 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!crl10.crl.com!not-for-mail From: hancom@crl.com (Han Lee) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Conversion Utility to 3DS or DXF format? Date: 8 Jun 1995 13:54:56 -0700 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3r7o30$jt4@crl10.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl10.crl.com Hi! I've just purchased a LightWave 3D for Windows. I'm a new LightWave 3D user and also new to this newsgroup. I desperately need help in converting LightWave model file format to either 3D Studio or DXF format. I'm making a game using some libraries that can only accept the above formats. Is there any programs that do this? Any help is greatly appreciated. PLEASE E-MAIL ME. Thank you, Han Lee, Hangul & Computer, USA hancom@crl.com From fusion@netcom.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:21 PDT 1995 Article: 7009 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7009 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!fusion From: fusion@netcom.com (Fusion Films) Subject: ANIMATORS/ARTISTS WANTED Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 21:33:50 GMT Lines: 39 Sender: fusion@netcom10.netcom.com ANIMATORS WANTED! Fusion Films, one of the hottest production/post production companies on the east coast is looking for animators/artists. We are rapidly expanding and will be looking for as many as 12 animators/artists to fill various positions over the next several months. We are looking for 2 catagories of people to work with us: The first catagory is experienced 3D artists, including animators, modelers, and other digital artists with a heavy background in Lightwave and or Softimage (or at least a strong concept of 3D animation packages and the ability to switch to one of the above) Secondly, we will also be looking for animation apprentices. This position does not require a vast 3D background, only a good working knowledge of computers. We are looking for people with a strong film/photography/art background with a strong will to learn 3D animation and modeling. Painters, sculptors, photographers, DP's, etc. are highly desired for this position. Please send a resume and samples of your work to: Fusion Films 51 Derry St. Merrimack, NH 03054 No phone calls please! -- 35mm Prod. #### # # #### ### ## # # #### ### # # # #### D1 Compositing # # # # # # # ## # # # # ## ## # Music Videos ## # # #### # # # # ## ### # # # # # #### Special FX # # # # # # # # ## # # # # # # Avid Editing # ## #### ### ## # # # ### #### # # #### From your_username@freud.inst.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:22 PDT 1995 Article: 7010 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7010 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!darwin.sura.net!freud.inst.com!usenet From: Your Real Name Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Looking for a good psychadelic kaliedoscope prog Date: 8 Jun 1995 21:37:52 GMT Organization: InterSys Technologies Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3r7qjg$ad0@freud.inst.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.79.50.100 I'm looking for a really good animated kaliedoscope program. I saw one yesterday for a freakin 8mhz Amiga from 1986 called Polyscope. It was so good I nearly creamed in my pants. I know if there is somthing _that_ good for an Amiga from, 1986 that there has to be somthing that would blow my socks off with 16 million colors for the PC. I've already found one program called Acidwarp wich is good with the colors but not with the animation. From peters@soderman.pp.se Sat Jun 10 09:54:50 PDT 1995 Article: 7011 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7011 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csusac!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!fizban.solace.mh.se!vampire.xinit.se!newsfeed.tip.net!nic.tip.net!usenet From: peters@soderman.pp.se (Peter Söderman) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: WinNT slow as 3-legd dog. Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 21:20:08 GMT Organization: Uniplus Internet Access Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3r7she$bn3@nic.tip.net> References: <3pt0fv$44@warp.cris.com> <3qm5tv$p50@news.onramp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: a4082.dial.tip.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 kenwshmt@onramp.net (ken schmitt) wrote: >> NT and 95 are about the same speed on the same machine. The >well... I guess my dx2 80 should be able to handle it then? Just an off thread note on the dx2 80. If you have got the AMD 3V DX2 80 you can actually run it as a DX4 100, I am. ;-) PeterS From peters@soderman.pp.se Sat Jun 10 09:55:19 PDT 1995 Article: 7012 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7012 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csusac!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!fizban.solace.mh.se!vampire.xinit.se!newsfeed.tip.net!nic.tip.net!usenet From: peters@soderman.pp.se (Peter Söderman) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Help! Installing LightWave Pre R. Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 21:21:51 GMT Organization: Uniplus Internet Access Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3r7skm$bp3@nic.tip.net> References: <3ql1pj$3eg@driene.student.utwente.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: a4082.dial.tip.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 m.p.vanes@student.utwente.nl (Martin van Es) wrote: [snip] >The strangest part is, that, allthough I haven't installed the sentinel-driver, (but DID install the dongle), Lightwave just RUNS! Isn't the drivers only for NT to allow LW to read the hardware (dongle) ? PeterS From gateway@onramp.net Sat Jun 10 09:56:00 PDT 1995 Article: 7013 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7013 dfw.forsale:13531 comp.sys.amiga.marketplace:52154 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uucp3.netcom.com!starbug.apple.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.onramp.net!usenet From: gateway@onramp.net () Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,dfw.forsale,comp.sys.amiga.marketplace Subject: FS: fully loaded amiga 2k with PAR Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 00:50:03 GMT Organization: On-Ramp; Individual Internet Connections; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3r85tn$o8g@news.onramp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dal13.onramp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Amiga 2000 -2.04 roms,keyboard, opitical mouse, 1 meg chip ram GVP GForce 040/33mhz 16megs or 32bit ram. EGS specturm A2065 Ethernet CARD Personal Animation Recorder w/o drive 2 floppy driver one is a high density drive that will read 1.44 msdos disks. 2 200meg HD's Asking $2700 obo I would like to sell this as a hole.. Steve Tietze gateway@onramp.net From thierry@ix.netcom.com Sat Jun 10 09:56:01 PDT 1995 Article: 7014 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7014 dfw.forsale:13533 comp.sys.amiga.marketplace:52155 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: thierry@ix.netcom.com (Thierry Humeau ) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,dfw.forsale,comp.sys.amiga.marketplace Subject: WTB: Amiga 4000/toaster Date: 9 Jun 1995 02:08:17 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3r8aeh$aoo@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <3r85tn$o8g@news.onramp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-dc11-18.ix.netcom.com Hi, My Flyer needs a confortable new nest. I am looking for an accelerated A4000/040 with warp or any other 4000 Amiga you'd like to sell. If it has a Toaster card, it will be even better. Please make offer via e-mail or call thanks, Thierry. -- ************************************************************** Thierry Humeau tel: 301-933-3008 Cameraman/Producer fax: 301-933-2868 Freelance/TV Networks thierry@ix.netcom.com ************************************************************** From bhood@netcom.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:23 PDT 1995 Article: 7015 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7015 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!bhood From: bhood@netcom.com (robert hood) Subject: Re: Ok, What about the 486DX4-100MHz Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3qm7h8$mm8@everest.pinn.net> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 02:28:40 GMT Lines: 30 Sender: bhood@netcom19.netcom.com Bob Evangelista (bvejr@pinn.net) wrote: : Now that we got almost all the rendering speed specs on P90s, Raptors, : SGIs, and who knows maybe even the Cray, does anybody have specs for us : starving artists using the DX2-66, especially the DX4-100? : I'd appreciate any info since the DX4-100 is all I got to work with (and : an A2000) I use both a 33MHz '486DX2 desktop w/8MB RAM and a 100MHz '486DX4 notebook w/8MB RAM. On the notebook, I can render a single 320x240 frame consisting of a planet (consuming nearly half the shot), two lights -- one with lens flare and reflection on -- and the random stars object in about 50 seconds. This single frame also has anti-aliasing turned on (with a sampling factor of 30) and a gradient background color. BTW, the planet and the camera are moving, which probably accounts for bit of the render time. I could be wrong, but judging from the _4000 Essentials_ video I got with my Amiga version (3.5 standalone), I'm doing as good as or better than a unaccelerated '040 VT 4000 with my 8MB of RAM. Regards, ||| Bob ^(===)^ -------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------------------- Bob Hood | The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the Home: 303-980-8392 | unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world Work: 303-689-[2409]| to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the --------------------| unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw bhood@netcom.com |------------------------------------------------------- rbh@evolving.com | ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/bh/bhood/www/bhood.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Jeric@cup.portal.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:31 PDT 1995 Article: 7016 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7016 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!svc.portal.com!portal.com!cup.portal.com!Jeric From: Jeric@cup.portal.com (J Eric Chard) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW student pricing? Date: 8 Jun 1995 20:00:17 -0700 Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 20 Sender: pccop@unix.portal.com Distribution: world Message-ID: <140160@cup.portal.com> References: <3r4kpe$jul@galaxy.ucr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: news1.unix.portal.com re: Student pricing: On this newsgroup some vendor is offering LW 4.0 for $750 + s/h. In most student discounts, 3DS is going for ~$850, with some reported at $350. (??) Since some people who would actually KNOW (not myself, I don't know 3DS) have said that, aside from third party add-ons, LW is equal/superior to 3DS, it just doesn't seem reasonable to ask for student pricing. (Besides, who needs all the competition?) **************************************************************************** * (OOOOO) Jeric@cup.portal.com | Synergy Graphix & Animation * * (OOOOOOO) Welcome to Seattle! | Film and Video Productions * * /////// Have a latte'! |Technical Subjects Our Specialty! * * /////// Or else! | * * **************************************************************************** From cevanim@aol.com Sat Jun 10 09:54:06 PDT 1995 Article: 7017 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7017 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: cevanim@aol.com (CEVAnim) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: PCs - i`m sick of hearing about `em!! Date: 8 Jun 1995 21:49:38 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 9 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3r89bi$khk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3r7gt3$e4g@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Reply-To: cevanim@aol.com (CEVAnim) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com With 1,232,075,621 abacus's in the world....If they only sold 20% of the folks and held $30 margin in each one....Let's see that would be.... WE'LL ALL BE RICH....!!! Ed CEVAnim@aol.com From syndesis@beta.inc.net Sat Jun 10 09:55:18 PDT 1995 Article: 7018 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7018 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csusac!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!cheetah.pacinfo.com!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!steve From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Conversion Utility to 3DS or DXF format? Date: 9 Jun 1995 02:00:12 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3r89vc$sfr@carrera.inc.net> References: <3r7o30$jt4@crl10.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.95.160.204 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article <3r7o30$jt4@crl10.crl.com>, hancom@crl.com (Han Lee) says: > >I've just purchased a LightWave 3D for Windows. I'm a new LightWave 3D >user and also new to this newsgroup. I desperately need help in >converting LightWave model file format to either 3D Studio or DXF format. >I'm making a game using some libraries that can only accept the above >formats. Is there any programs that do this? My company makes InterChange, a program that does just that. For more info, call (414) 674-5200. From cevanim@aol.com Sat Jun 10 09:54:59 PDT 1995 Article: 7019 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7019 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: cevanim@aol.com (CEVAnim) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Selling Your Animations Date: 8 Jun 1995 21:39:34 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 8 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3r88om$kct@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3r77rg$45k@warp.cris.com> Reply-To: cevanim@aol.com (CEVAnim) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I'll dup them for $ 4.95 per copy. I guarantee the lowest duplicating price. Lousy service, I don't return calls, lots of snow in the pixs...but I do take bad checks.... Hope to hear from you. Ed CEVAnim@aol.com From 72620.1654@CompuServe.COM Sat Jun 10 09:53:57 PDT 1995 Article: 7020 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7020 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csusac!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!cheetah.pacinfo.com!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!george.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Don Peterson <72620.1654@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Alpha Chip & NT? Date: 2 Jun 1995 18:05:08 GMT Organization: DeskStation Technology, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3qnjsk$5ip$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> References: <95052917320500033@aloha.net> There's no Alpha CPU that runs at 350Mhz yet. We have the one and only NT system with an Alpha CPU called the 21164 that runs at 300Mhz. Contact us at sales@dti.com or call (913) 599-1900. -- Don Peterson DeskStation Technology "Where the Raptor was born" From 74453.146@CompuServe.COM Sat Jun 10 09:54:00 PDT 1995 Article: 7021 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7021 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csusac!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!cheetah.pacinfo.com!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!george.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: John Donlevie <74453.146@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: The Return of the Amiga! Date: 6 Jun 1995 15:51:21 GMT Organization: Road-Ease Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3r1thp$55o$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> References: Well Ive seen LW go at on 95 and Im happy speed is good, interface works as well as anything, PCI graphics are quick.... Liking what I saw. Can even network.... So the future is bright on PC. I agree that the Amiga OS to survive must be ported out of 040 world as we've been somewhat boned by that chip in retrospective. Heard Escom was lookng at PowerPC or HP Risc.... Hell you need a PC anyway.... From rosati@ionet.net Sat Jun 10 09:55:37 PDT 1995 Article: 7022 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7022 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!ionews.ionet.net!rosati From: rosati@ionet.net (Roger L Rosati) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Chroma wall 4 digital comp? Date: 9 Jun 1995 05:50:36 GMT Organization: Internet Oklahoma Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3r8nfc$qlo@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ion1.ionet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I need to make a small chroma wall (4'x8') on a limited budget. I'll be shooting with a Betacam. The video will be digitized with a PAR card and I'll be using Lightwave for digital composition. Can anyone give me any advice or tell me where I might find more info? Questions I have include: What color paint would be best? What lights would work? (cheaper=better) Would cloth be better? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Roger Rosati rosati@ionet.net From aliv1@jolt.mpx.com.au Sat Jun 10 09:55:40 PDT 1995 Article: 7023 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7023 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!inferno.mpx.com.au!jolt!aliv1 From: aliv1@jolt.mpx.com.au (Aristocrat Leisure Industries) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW for Windows Requirements Date: 9 Jun 1995 08:52:55 GMT Organization: Microplex Pty Ltd Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3r9257$b6j@inferno.mpx.com.au> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.mpx.com.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Michael Vines (mvines@netcom.com) wrote: : What are the minimum PC hardware requirements for Lightwave for windows? : What are you using, and how does it perform? Can I get ny with 8mb of ram? I run it quite happily on a 33Mhz 486 with 8 Mb RAM, with a VESA video card. I strongly suggest having a VESA video card or better - it makes a huge difference. From michael@iglou.iglou.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:36 PDT 1995 Article: 7024 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7024 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!iglou!iglou.iglou.com!michael From: michael@iglou.iglou.com (Michael Meshew) Subject: Advert: LIGHT-ROM 2 for just $29.95! X-Nntp-Posting-Host: iglou.iglou.com Message-ID: Sender: news@iglou.com (News Administrator) Organization: IgLou Internet Services Distribution: NA Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 05:24:27 GMT Lines: 54 L I G H T - R O M 2 I S N O W S H I P P I N G !!!! W H A T I S N E W W I T H L I G H T - R O M 2 ? LIGHT-ROM 2 has around 350 megs of new data. It is 100% Lightwave and Toaster material. There are around 3,700 Lightwave objects. There is a new collection of Textures, Images and Animation Maps. As usual, everything has a thumbnail rendering. The thumbnail renderings are much easier to access thanks to user suggestions! The Thumbnails are now in their own directories & are much easier to access. The Showcase directory was a very pleasant surprise this time with all the new contributions from all over the world. Thanks to everyone who has made LIGHT-ROM a success. The feedback I have received has been extremely gratifying for me. I always believed that there was a need for LIGHT-ROM. LIGHT-ROM lists for $39.95 and is already available from Amiga Library Services and your usual mail order & dealer outlets. LIGHT-ROM is a multiplatform CD ROM and can be used on all versions of Lightwave. I have not had the opportunity to try it on any of the other flavors of Lightwave, but everything is cross platform compatible. Contrary to the May VTU review of the first LIGHT-ROM's textures by R. Shamms Mortier, I am the author of LIGHT-ROM. A correction and an apology will be printed in a future issue. LIGHT-ROM is a registered trademark of my company, Graphic Detail Inc. Thanks again for your support! Michael Meshew Graphic Detail Inc. 4556 South Third Street Louisville, Ky. 40214 USA (502)363-2986 michael @iglou.com LIGHT-ROM 2 may be purchased from Select Solutions (1-800-322-1261) for just $29.95 plus shipping. If you want to avoid the "out of stock blues", try Amiga Library Services, my exclusive distributor (1-800-804-0833) or info@amigalib.com for $39.95 plus shipping. From aliv1@jolt.mpx.com.au Sat Jun 10 09:55:41 PDT 1995 Article: 7025 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7025 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!inferno.mpx.com.au!jolt!aliv1 From: aliv1@jolt.mpx.com.au (Aristocrat Leisure Industries) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave 4.0 under Win95 Date: 9 Jun 1995 09:00:50 GMT Organization: Microplex Pty Ltd Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3r92k2$b6j@inferno.mpx.com.au> References: <3q45jm$n6e@dingo.cc.uq.oz.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.mpx.com.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Anthony Keating (e4321280@student.uq.edu.au) wrote: : Hi all, A friend of mine has Lightwave (but no internet access so I'm : posting this for him) and is having a few problems getting it running : under Windows 95 (he's a beta testing for microsoft running build 474). : The actual Lightwave works fine, it's the modeler that doesn't seem to : work. It comes up with an windows error, saying that the program : performed an illegal operation. Anyone else had this problem? I haven't had the problem you mentioned, but I found that when I installed Lightwave in a directory other than the default c:\NewTek (and in fact on a different partition), Lightwave would crash when loading scenes - even after suitably modifying the lightwave config files. From aliv1@jolt.mpx.com.au Sat Jun 10 09:55:39 PDT 1995 Article: 7026 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7026 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!inferno.mpx.com.au!jolt!aliv1 From: aliv1@jolt.mpx.com.au (Aristocrat Leisure Industries) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Where can you get LW in Australia Date: 9 Jun 1995 08:43:03 GMT Organization: Microplex Pty Ltd Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3r91in$b6j@inferno.mpx.com.au> References: <3quni4$vi8@zipper.zip.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.mpx.com.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I purchased my copy of Lightwave for the PC from Sigmacom in Miranda, Sydney. It cost me $1299 and I run it quite happily on a 33Mhz 486 with 8 Meg RAM and a VESA video card. I am also running under Windows 95. Sigmacom have been selling lightwave for the Amiga for a long time now and have quite a knowledge of it and its add-ons available. I have been told that they will be demonstating Lightwave for the PC and the Amiga at the Home Computer Show this weekend at Darling Harbour. Sigmacom's address is: Unit 17, 20-24 Gibbs St Miranda, NSW, 2228 Ph: 524 9846 From dretch@IslandNet.com Sat Jun 10 09:53:58 PDT 1995 Article: 7027 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7027 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!sanjuan.islandnet.com!island.amtsgi.bc.ca!not-for-mail From: dretch@IslandNet.com (Christopher Stewart) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Alpha Chip & NT? Date: 9 Jun 1995 02:03:17 -0700 Organization: Island Net in Victoria, B.C. Canada 604-477-5163 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3r92ol$n7q@island.amtsgi.bc.ca> References: <95052917320500033@aloha.net> <3qnjsk$5ip$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: island.islandnet.com In a message dated 2 Jun 1995 18:05:08 72620.1654@CompuServe.COM writes: 7> There's no Alpha CPU that runs at 350Mhz yet. We have the one 7> and only NT system with an Alpha CPU called the 21164 that runs 7> at 300Mhz. Contact us at sales@dti.com or call (913) 599-1900. Funny, my brother has a nice 300mhz machine made by company mysteriously named DEC.... -------------------- "I wish there was a knob on the TV to Christopher Stewart turn up the intelligence. There's a knob PRIMORDIAL SOUP! called `brightness', but it dosen't work." Graphics/WWW/Animation --> Dretch@AmtSgi.bc.ca <--> http://www.IslandNet.com:80/~dretch/ <--- * Offline Orbit 0.73c * From napoleon@ra.isisnet.com Sat Jun 10 09:54:01 PDT 1995 Article: 7028 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7028 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!ra.isisnet.com!hfx-p03.isisnet.com!napoleon From: napoleon@ra.isisnet.com (Napoleon) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Lightwave OS Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 13:39:37 UNDEFINED Organization: isis, Incorporated Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: hfx-p03.isisnet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] Heylo, I am about to purchase a new system for the main purpose of running Lightwave. Does anyone have any suggestions whether I should go with Windows 3.1 or Windows NT? Any comments would be appreciated, Napoleon From stuarth@pads.com Sat Jun 10 09:54:36 PDT 1995 Article: 7029 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7029 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!tcsi.tcs.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news From: stuarth@pads.com (Stuart Hoskins) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Is more than 64meg possible on an MSdos PC?? Date: 9 Jun 1995 12:44:56 GMT Organization: PADS Software, Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3r9fo8$4fc@padsdns.pads.com> References: <3r2m70$q9i@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> <3r4bd8$o3t@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wintermute.pads.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 I'm using LW 4.0 Pre on a Dual P90 system with 128MB of RAM, DOS-6.22 only see's 48MB (weird) but NT and Win95 both see the full 128MB. Stuart Hoskins In article <3r4bd8$o3t@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jsonedecke@aol.com says... > >In <802433311snz@bitmap.co.uk> Chris Thomas >writes: >> >>We are currently trying to beef our machines at our company up to >>128mb. We install the simms (4x32mb) and when we turn on the machines >>the Bios counts up to 128mb. Unfortunately when you type Mem to check >>on your new memory size it reports that you have only 64mb. Does >>anyone know if this is a hardware limitation of most PC`s or is down >>to some sort of shortcoming with MSdos (what no! MSdos have problems >>handling memory, surely not!). Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >>Chris Thomas >> > >Chris this is a MS DOS problem, it will not see 128 only 64 on the >memory. I think this is just for dos and win 3.1 but not Win NT. > >Later > >John Mark Roquemore >net: johnmark@ix.netcom.com > >What version of DOS are you using? I thinl I read that 6.2 relieves this >problem. I could be wrong just thought I heard it somewhere! >-John Sonedecker From jsonedecke@aol.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:04 PDT 1995 Article: 7030 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7030 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jsonedecke@aol.com (JSonedecke) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: lha Date: 9 Jun 1995 10:15:52 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 1 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3r9l2o$s3g@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <140066@cup.portal.com> Reply-To: jsonedecke@aol.com (JSonedecke) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Thak You! From yohkomano@aol.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:45 PDT 1995 Article: 7031 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7031 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: yohkomano@aol.com (YohkoMano) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: NewTek's Phone Number for LW 4.0 Upgrade? Date: 9 Jun 1995 10:21:25 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3r9ld5$s5u@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: yohkomano@aol.com (YohkoMano) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Hello! What number do I call to get the LightWave 4.0 upgrade? I currently have the v3.5 SA version, and after MUCH thought, I've decided to stick with the Amiga version of v4.0. I understand that I have until the end of June to get the upgrade, but I don't know the number to call. Can someone please e-mail the number to me at YohkoMano@AOL.COM. Thanks in advance! ^_^ Yohko Mano From frazier2@muvms6.wvnet.edu Sat Jun 10 09:55:34 PDT 1995 Article: 7032 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7032 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!convex!darwin.sura.net!wvnvms!marshall.wvnet.edu!frazier2 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: modeller in Lightwave Q Message-ID: <1995Jun9.000744.6695@muvms6> From: frazier2@muvms6.wvnet.edu Date: 9 Jun 95 00:07:44 EDT Organization: Marshall University Lines: 9 For some time I have been keeping track of the ins&outs of the lightwave scene and am itchy to acquire, but hesitant to leap forward without fully understanding the potential of the photomodeller. Could someone please bridge this gap; I've been unable to find specific info on this, although I had read of some guy at www.wimsey.com who shows off his scanned images of old buildings rebuilt with lightwave (using cartesian coordinates?..this is why I intend to use the named product). Ty From wturber@primenet.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:25 PDT 1995 Article: 7033 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7033 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip029.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter J. Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Ok, What about the 486DX4-100MHz Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 10:00:35 LOCAL Organization: Primenet Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <3qm7h8$mm8@everest.pinn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip029.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article bhood@netcom.com (robert hood) writes: >From: bhood@netcom.com (robert hood) >Subject: Re: Ok, What about the 486DX4-100MHz >Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 02:28:40 GMT >Bob Evangelista (bvejr@pinn.net) wrote: >: Now that we got almost all the rendering speed specs on P90s, Raptors, >: SGIs, and who knows maybe even the Cray, does anybody have specs for us >: starving artists using the DX2-66, especially the DX4-100? >: I'd appreciate any info since the DX4-100 is all I got to work with (and >: an A2000) >I use both a 33MHz '486DX2 desktop w/8MB RAM and a 100MHz '486DX4 notebook >w/8MB RAM. On the notebook, I can render a single 320x240 frame consisting >of a planet (consuming nearly half the shot), two lights -- one with lens >flare and reflection on -- and the random stars object in about 50 seconds. >This single frame also has anti-aliasing turned on (with a sampling factor of >30) and a gradient background color. BTW, the planet and the camera are >moving, which probably accounts for bit of the render time. >I could be wrong, but judging from the _4000 Essentials_ video I got with >my Amiga version (3.5 standalone), I'm doing as good as or better than a >unaccelerated '040 VT 4000 with my 8MB of RAM. OK. Here is a Windows tip for those of you strangling LW on machines that don't have enough RAM. Perhaps you have noted that there is a limit on how much virtual memory you can have. Well - you can change that and really throttle your machine by adding the following to your SYSTEM.INI (under Windows 3.1 and probably WFWG 3.1): PageOverCommit=8 The Windows Default value is 4 and the maximum value is 20. Changing these values allow you to create larger swap files. WARNING!!! This is only for people who have time to experiment. The odds of "thrashing" (NOT trashing) your hard drive are high. The BEST solution is to buy more RAM! Virtual memory usage will slow down your machine. However, it may allow you to render a scene that would be otherwise impossible to complete. Virtual Memory is no Cure-All. BTW. People with RAM poor machines should use SMALLER segment sizes when rendering. _________________________________________________________________ Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Phoenix, AZ |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber ...........................|ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber From wturber@primenet.com Sat Jun 10 09:54:07 PDT 1995 Article: 7034 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7034 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip029.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter J. Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: PCs - i`m sick of hearing about `em!! Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 09:43:35 LOCAL Organization: Primenet Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <3qv3gf$d8g@News1.mcs.com> <3r4a9s$r97@metro.atlanta.com> <3r7gt3$e4g@expert.cc.purdue.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip029.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <3r7gt3$e4g@expert.cc.purdue.edu> hodgie@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Roger) writes: >From: hodgie@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Roger) >Subject: Re: PCs - i`m sick of hearing about `em!! >Date: 8 Jun 1995 13:52:19 -0500 >Hey, >Anybody know when they're going to port Lightwave to an abacus? >With all these crusty old-timers out there, I thought I'd throw out >the *original* computational device. :) >I've never used an Altair, but I *did* have to build some simple >logic devices for a class, once. > Roger How 'bout LightWave FT? (Fingers and Toes) _________________________________________________________________ Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Phoenix, AZ |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber ...........................|ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber From wturber@primenet.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:27 PDT 1995 Article: 7035 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7035 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:210 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip029.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter J. Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW student pricing? Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 10:13:01 LOCAL Organization: Primenet Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <3qmq4h$fo3@news.globalone.net> <3qvp7m$eh2@darwin.nbnet.nb.ca> <3r1mob$p99@carrera. <3r4dje$m4n@carrera.inc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip029.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article Ernie Wright writes: >From: Ernie Wright >Subject: Re: LW student pricing? >Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 15:40:20 -0400 >Brian Hoffman wrote: >> Are you saying that we should automatically discount the opinions of >> those who stand to benefit from educational pricing? We might just >> as well discount the opinions of those who would NOT benefit from >> educational pricing and who oppose it, on the grounds that they are >> merely expressing sour grapes. >Now you're catching on. The discussion is taking place in a factual >vacuum, so there's no compelling reason to give great weight to either >side. >Suppose this were a car forum, and students drivers decided that they >should be able to buy cars for 20% of their retail price. They might >argue that, after learning how to drive, they will continue to buy that >make of car and so, in the long run, everybody benefits. >I'd feel justified in replying that that's a load of crap. Notice, >however, that I wouldn't be addressing the merit of the argument, but >would instead be calling into question its sincerity. This is what I >meant when I said that such a discussion is "dishonest and pointless." >The only possible outcome is that students profess their piety while >non-students express disbelief. It's a waste of time. >Except, as John Foust pointed out, it's worthwhile to educate students >in the reality that the world doesn't revolve around them. >- Ernie Excellent points. For instance there really is no way to say with certainty that Autodesk's strategy with 3DS has succeded because there is no control group to use for comparison. We don't know where they would be if they HADN'T offered educational pricing. It is all seat-of-the pants marketing with very little data (at least that I have seen) to back it up. Maybe it is a good idea. Maybe it isn't. Nobody has provided any good objective data to back either position. _________________________________________________________________ Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Phoenix, AZ |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber ...........................|ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber From wturber@primenet.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:42 PDT 1995 Article: 7036 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7036 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip029.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter J. Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: LW Benchmarks in LWPro Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:33:30 LOCAL Organization: Primenet Lines: 24 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip029.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Just got the May LWPro. Would like to thank John Gross and Philip Rice for their excellent coverage of the possible combinations of machines etc. I would like to point out two things though: 1) There is a misplaced comma on the time for the Amiga 3000 under the ZbufSort.lws scene. I'm pretty sure this is why the graph shows an erroneous length for this test. 2) After all the discussion about what is and is not a good test scene, the results for all of the scenes tend to bunch up on all but the fastest 21164 based Alphas. Additionally, the Texture examples scene seems to be somewhere in the middle of all the "bunches". This is pretty amazing considering that these scenes were specifically designed to stress certain different aspects of rendering. I am assuming that these scenes and configurations were such that no virtual memory was used while rendering. Is this correct? Finally, I guess I'm gonna have to dig up data on how much the cheapest Alphas cost. I think I need one, or two . . . _________________________________________________________________ Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Phoenix, AZ |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber ...........................|ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber From adamhill@fohnix.metronet.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:46 PDT 1995 Article: 7037 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7037 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!fohnix.metronet.com!not-for-mail From: adamhill@fohnix.metronet.com (Adam Hill) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Query on LW4.0 Intel dongle problem. Date: 9 Jun 1995 13:32:19 -0500 Organization: Texas Metronet, Inc (login info (214/705-2901 - 817/571-0400)) Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3ra43j$qao@fohnix.metronet.com> References: <3qu8q9$24l@cdn_mail.telecom.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com In article , Saiyad Abdul wrote: > >Did you check for any of the dreaded DMA or IRQ conflicts....Just a >guess but I would venture that this is probably the culprit. > >Sai You should have NO problems with your floppy drive if you plug in a #!!?#$'ing DONGLE. Take that dongle, drive to Topeka and shove it down marketing's throat. This is utterly ridiculous. Strike 1.234-10E6 against dongles....... -- Adam Hill - Multimedia Programmer | OS/2 PM and Windows - C,C++ Multimedia ToolBook 3.0 | Visual Basic + Imaging Tools ScriptX | From yarrick@primenet.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:48 PDT 1995 Article: 7038 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7038 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!yarrick From: yarrick@primenet.com (Eric Soulvie) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: My beef with Newtek Date: 9 Jun 1995 19:33:29 GMT Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet (602)395-1010 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3ra7m9$pt1@news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I just wanted to take a moment to bring up a slight problem that I am having with Newtek policy and to see if anyone could recommend what I should do. I purchased my T4000 before the stand-alone version of LW was released. I bought it JUST for LW. The only thing that the Toaster card gets used for is the composite out. I was looking to upgrade from 3.1 to 4.0 so I called Newtek. They told me that because I have the integrated system (card/software) I would have to pay about $600 to upgrade the entire system instead of the $149 just for the stand-alone LW upgrade. Quite frankly, I do not give a damn about the rest of the toaster system. That extra $450 could easily go toward more memory or another harddrive. Something that would get used. Am I only only one that has had this problem? What should I do? I'm afraid that I am going to have to bite the bullet. Be seeing you, Yarrick From gdm2475@Msu.oscs.montana.edu Sat Jun 10 09:55:43 PDT 1995 Article: 7039 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7039 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cdsnet.net!usenet.coe.montana.edu!Msu.oscs.montana.edu!gdm2475 From: gdm2475@Msu.oscs.montana.edu Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Amiga Alpha networking Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 14:14:18 Organization: Montana State University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <009919FB.C5EC1700@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> Reply-To: gdm2475@Msu.oscs.montana.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: trex.oscs.montana.edu Hi all, I've just gotten my new Alpha (drool drool) and need som advice on what's available to network the two together. Mainly I need to be able to save anim frames over to my amiga's par. What systems are you guys using? What offers file sharing and device sharing? Any help is greatly apreciated. Please respond to my address. -Dana McNeil White Dwarf Productions From peterson@openmarket.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:44 PDT 1995 Article: 7040 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7040 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!tcsi.tcs.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!sauce.openmarket.com!peterson From: peterson@openmarket.com (Bob Peterson) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Amiga PAR for sale Date: Fri, 9 Jun 95 13:44:59 GMT Organization: Open Market, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: sauce.openmarket.com X-Newsreader: VersaTerm Link v1.1.5 Amiga PAR for sale, including 530MB drive. Execellent condition, latest release and manual. $850. Hand delivery only in Cambridge, Mass, USA, Nashua area, or Fitchburg area. Send email to peterson@openmarket.com. \bob From glane@happy.qualcomm.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:29 PDT 1995 Article: 7041 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7041 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:214 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!qualcomm.com!happy.qualcomm.com!glane From: glane@happy.qualcomm.com (George Lane) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW student pricing? Date: 9 Jun 1995 21:22:20 GMT Organization: Qualcomm Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3rae2c$l21@qualcomm.com> References: <3r4dje$m4n@carrera.inc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: happy.qualcomm.com wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com wrote: > Maybe it is a good idea. Maybe it isn't. Nobody has provided any good > objective data to back either position. Dec used this strategy in order to unseat IBM mainframes with their minicomputers by giving incentives to universities. I don't think they would have made a dent in the market if they didn't. Thousands of computer science students graduate each year. Educational incentives is one way to generate a loyal following. Sometimes there is a conflict between long range and short range business needs. George Lane Opinions are mine only. No employer would claim them. From cheryl@desktopimages.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:54 PDT 1995 Article: 7042 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7042 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: cheryl Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Looking for Lightwave PC dealer in London.... Date: 9 Jun 1995 21:57:44 GMT Organization: Desktop Images Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3rag4o$73r@news4.primenet.com> References: <3qopap$7sr@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <83190698wnr@dciuk01.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip002.lax.primenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) To: Doug,Gault, Hello, You can find LW at Premiere Vision. PREMIER VISION MULITMEDIA LTD THE FOUNDRY 156 BLACKFRIARS ROAD LONDON, SE1 8EN UNITED KINGDOM voice 0114471 7217050 fax 01144717217049 (I've got some extra #'s on the phones. I'm in the states so I'm not sure which apply to you. I know that the 011 is our int'l dial-out. Not sure if you have to dial the 44 though.) Cheryl :) P.S. If you need any training, our company has instructional videotapes for LightWave. You can visit our web page at http://desktopimages.com/desktop/ You can order online too although Premiere Vision stocks our tapes. From cheryl@desktopimages.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:55 PDT 1995 Article: 7043 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7043 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: cheryl Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Looking for Lightwave PC dealer in London.... Date: 9 Jun 1995 21:58:00 GMT Organization: Desktop Images Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3rag58$73r@news4.primenet.com> References: <3qopap$7sr@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <83190698wnr@dciuk01.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip002.lax.primenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) To: Hello, You can find LW at Premiere Vision. PREMIER VISION MULITMEDIA LTD THE FOUNDRY 156 BLACKFRIARS ROAD LONDON, SE1 8EN UNITED KINGDOM voice 0114471 7217050 fax 01144717217049 (I've got some extra #'s on the phones. I'm in the states so I'm not sure which apply to you. I know that the 011 is our int'l dial-out. Not sure if you have to dial the 44 though.) Cheryl :) P.S. If you need any training, our company has instructional videotapes for LightWave. You can visit our web page at http://desktopimages.com/desktop/ You can order online too although Premiere Vision stocks our tapes. From iainc@imc-a1.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 10 09:55:56 PDT 1995 Article: 7044 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7044 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:216 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!not-for-mail From: Iain Colledge Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave, Subject: Re: Study with Ron Thornton! What do you want to learn? Followup-To: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave, Date: 9 Jun 1995 23:28:23 +0100 Organization: Home Lines: 16 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <9506090040.AA000cy@imc-a1.demon.co.uk> References: <3qvdr1$skk@news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] X-Posting-Host: imc-a1.demon.co.uk Brady Caverly (Brady@desktopimages.com) wrote: : If you could apprentice with Foundation Imaging's Ron Thornton, : what would you want to learn? Ok, the thing that I would really like to know is........... How the hell do they keep track of the thruster exhausts on the Starfuries? I have do a ship with a similar engine layout and setting up all the envelopes by hand after getting the motion right is driving me nuts. Yup, that has got to be my biggest request. Iain Who saw B5 and said "Somebody gets paid for doing this neat stuff" and bought Lightwave! From cbarger@indirect.com Sat Jun 10 09:54:08 PDT 1995 Article: 7045 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7045 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csusac!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!cheetah.pacinfo.com!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!slip50.indirect.com!cbarger From: cbarger@indirect.com (Christopher H. Barger) Subject: Re: PCs - i`m sick of hearing about `em!! Message-ID: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (Internet Direct Admin) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:23:11 GMT References: <3qv3gf$d8g@News1.mcs.com> <3r4a9s$r97@metro.atlanta.com> <3r7gt3$e4g@expert.cc.purdue.edu> X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Lines: 17 In article <3r7gt3$e4g@expert.cc.purdue.edu> hodgie@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Roger) writes: >From: hodgie@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Roger) >Subject: Re: PCs - i`m sick of hearing about `em!! >Date: 8 Jun 1995 13:52:19 -0500 >Hey, >Anybody know when they're going to port Lightwave to an abacus? >With all these crusty old-timers out there, I thought I'd throw out >the *original* computational device. :) No, but I've got a secret alpha version on LW running on my slide rule. Jealous ???? From cbarger@indirect.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:08 PDT 1995 Article: 7046 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7046 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csusac!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!cheetah.pacinfo.com!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!slip50.indirect.com!cbarger From: cbarger@indirect.com (Christopher H. Barger) Subject: Re: More benchmark results Message-ID: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (Internet Direct Admin) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:33:12 GMT References: X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Lines: 27 In article glynw@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Glyn Williams") writes: >From: glynw@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Glyn Williams") >Subject: More benchmark results >Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 19:14:00 GMT >More Benchmark results. >Here is the test, which I guess is a pretty typical >TV quality image. >Scene: Blade (the Tyrell building ) > Frame 54 (The Spinner is in view) > Camera: > Trace Shadows ON > Medium Resolution (Video) > Limited Res 752x320 From 752x480 > Pixel Ratio D2 Aspect 1.0 > Adaptive Sampling (8) - Soft Filter on > * Field Rendering OFF <--different from default. > Motion Blur On > (This frame needs a 9M segment to finish in 1 pass) >Could we have some P120s,Amigas,Mips and Alphas to compare please. Please >add your posting onto this list. Where can I/we get a copy of your benchmark scene and objects ? From Thomas.Axelsson@p0.f639.n201.z2.talshiar.pp.se Sat Jun 10 09:56:02 PDT 1995 Article: 7047 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7047 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!mn6.swip.net!seunet!mn3.swip.net!spectre!Thomas.Axelsson From: Thomas.Axelsson@p0.f639.n201.z2.talshiar.pp.se (Thomas Axelsson) Message-ID: <0CCBB429@talshiar.pp.se> Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: B5STATN2.LHA Date: 10 Jun 95 02:04:55 CET Organization: Red Dawn -*- WHQ for Tal Shiar -*- X-GateSoftware: AmiGate 1.4 (3.6.95) Lines: 13 This file is missing in B5STATN2.LHA MidDtail.lwo MidSectn.lwo Is't anybody who can uuencode this to me ? Mvh/Thomas (E-Mail Thomas_Axelsson@spectre.talshiar.pp.se) (SOULGAZER NET 196:604/0) (FidoNet 2:201/639.0) (InfoNet 42:105/105.0) "Red Dawn WHQ for Tal Shiar" [PGP Public key available] From mcouch@flood.xnet.com Sat Jun 10 09:54:20 PDT 1995 Article: 7048 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7048 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csulb.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!newsserver.sdsc.edu!news.cerf.net!mvb.saic.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!xnet!mcouch From: mcouch@flood.xnet.com (Mark Couch) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Specs On CD Cover Res Date: 10 Jun 1995 00:10:12 GMT Organization: XNet - A Full Service Internet Provider - (708) 983-6064 Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3rant4$4p4@flood.xnet.com> References: <3r2ml7$jtq@flood.xnet.com> <3r4b48$r97@metro.atlanta.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.xnet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Well.. Now I'm confused.. seems like there are many answers to my question.. From KXAH39A@prodigy.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:58 PDT 1995 Article: 7049 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7049 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: KXAH39A@prodigy.com (Michael Greer) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: FS:DPS PAR Board Date: 10 Jun 1995 00:42:07 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3rapov$9tm@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap4.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 For Sale: DPS PAR board for the Amiga. Less than 1 year old. $1200 or best offer. Will consider selling 565 meg PAR drive. E-mail if interested. Mike From dahcoata@aol.com Sat Jun 10 09:56:04 PDT 1995 Article: 7050 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7050 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dahcoata@aol.com (Dahcoata) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: FS: Essence Vol 1, Composite studio, etc. Date: 9 Jun 1995 21:34:04 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 9 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3rasqc$97v@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: dahcoata@aol.com (Dahcoata) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com For sale: Essence Vol. 1 (includes Forge) $50 plus shipping Composite Studio 1.1 $50 plus shipping Pixel 3D Pro $25 plus shipping send e-mail if interested From dahcoata@aol.com Sat Jun 10 09:56:03 PDT 1995 Article: 7051 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7051 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dahcoata@aol.com (Dahcoata) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: FS: PAR and Toaster 4000 card Date: 9 Jun 1995 21:34:03 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 7 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3rasqb$97t@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: dahcoata@aol.com (Dahcoata) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com For sale: DPS Personal Animation Recorder (amiga version). 2.5 software. $1100 plus shipping. Toaster 4000 card. (3.1 software) $1200 plus shipping send e-mail or call 405-732-0812 From jcupp@bix.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:33 PDT 1995 Article: 7052 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7052 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:221 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!jcupp From: jcupp@bix.com (jcupp) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW student pricing? Followup-To: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Date: 10 Jun 1995 03:24:41 GMT Organization: BIX Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3rb39p$dvb@news2.delphi.com> References: <3qmq4h$fo3@news.globalone.net> <3qvp7m$eh2@darwin.nbnet.nb.ca> <3r1mob$p99@carrera.inc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bix.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] John Foust (syndesis@beta.inc.net) wrote: : In article <3qvp7m$eh2@darwin.nbnet.nb.ca>, Craig Simmons says: : > : >Autodesk on the other hand realizes the tight : >fiscal constraints of educational institutions. 22 Copies of 3DStudio at : >an educational price of about $350.00 each is only 7,700. : OK, if the decision is so easy, go buy 3D Studio. Or are you just going to : go with the lowest bidder, no matter what? Yes, of course, Autodesk is : solely concerned with the "fiscal constraints of educational institutions," : it has nothing to do with any plan to increase market share. :-) : I think educational pricing is foolish. I don't think it encourages : loyalty to a certain product, I think it encourages people (both teachers : and students) to look for the biggest freebies they can find, and that : search becomes all-engrossing. It teaches the price of everything, : and the value of nothing. : By the way, it annoys the dealer channel, too, who are often the ones : who are asked to give the nifty demos at your school, before you decide : to end-around and get a cheap price directly from the manufacturer. : And they also get annoyed when you ask them for tech support, too. NewTek offers special prices to educational institutions (I'm a dealer), I think they even offer lab packs. I've never had the occasion to sell a whole lab so I'm not positive about that. The educational discounts are available from any NewTek Partners Plus dealer, though they may not tell you so. There is no special pricing for students. Anyone waving purchase orders or needing more info give me a call! Jeff Cupp Digital Arts Bloomington, IN jcupp@bix.com 1-800-692-6442 812-330-0124 From camcollect@aol.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:51 PDT 1995 Article: 7053 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7053 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: camcollect@aol.com (CamCollect) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: My beef with Newtek Date: 10 Jun 1995 00:19:58 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 18 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3rb6he$cc8@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3ra7m9$pt1@news.primenet.com> Reply-To: camcollect@aol.com (CamCollect) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com >>I purchased my T4000 before the stand-alone version of LW was released. >>I bought it JUST for LW. The only thing that the Toaster card gets used >>for is the composite out. I was looking to upgrade from 3.1 to 4.0 so So why not just sell your Toaster card and buy Stand Alone LW 4.0. Greg Milneck, Jr. The Video Company Baton Rouge, LA, USA camcollect@aol.com From bman2@ix.netcom.com Sat Jun 10 09:56:07 PDT 1995 Article: 7054 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7054 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:223 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: bman2@ix.netcom.com (Brenden Mecleary ) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Rendering error? Date: 10 Jun 1995 06:36:07 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3rbegn$65b@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-esc-ca1-21.ix.netcom.com I've got a situation here that disturbs/worries/angers me. Whenever I render in Lightwave, I notice that it seems to create an error along the left edge of the image, only one pixel wide, where some of the polygons just don't seem to render, and the backdrop color/picture shows through. Most of my animations are space animations, where I usually never have anything near the edges, so I never noticed before now (since the backdrop SHOULD show), but when I had to create a rendering of a beach for a project I'm working on, where the beach went all the way off the side of the image, it was much more noticable. No matter what, I couldn't get rid of it. All the polygons' normals are right side up, double sided on or off, antialiasing on or off, any resolution. I was wondering if anyone could tell me what this is, and if possible, how to fix it? Thanks in advance for any help. Brenden Mecleary bman2@ix.netcom.com B.T.W. - I'm using PC Lightwave, if that makes any difference, on a Pentium 90 machine. From justin@nyc.pipeline.com Sat Jun 10 09:56:05 PDT 1995 Article: 7055 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7055 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!news.nyc.pipeline.com!not-for-mail From: justin@nyc.pipeline.com (Michael Justin Austin) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: WTB lw 4.0 intel ver. Date: 10 Jun 1995 02:25:36 -0400 Organization: The Pipeline Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3rbdt0$fop@pipe2.nyc.pipeline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pipe2.nyc.pipeline.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] just like it says, I am looking for LW for the PC anyone bailing? TIA From justin@nyc.pipeline.com Sat Jun 10 09:56:06 PDT 1995 Article: 7056 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7056 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!news.nyc.pipeline.com!not-for-mail From: justin@nyc.pipeline.com (Michael Justin Austin) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: DPS PERCEPTION when? Date: 10 Jun 1995 02:27:25 -0400 Organization: The Pipeline Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3rbe0d$fpu@pipe2.nyc.pipeline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pipe2.nyc.pipeline.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] anyone know when dps is supposed to release the PCI perception board? I am chomping at the bit! TIA ;-) From Jeric@cup.portal.com Sat Jun 10 09:54:53 PDT 1995 Article: 7057 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7057 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!svc.portal.com!portal.com!cup.portal.com!Jeric From: Jeric@cup.portal.com (J Eric Chard) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: J.G. - Printing ? Date: 9 Jun 1995 23:40:04 -0700 Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 35 Sender: pccop@unix.portal.com Message-ID: <140199@cup.portal.com> References: <3r5bl6$175@news.xmission.com> <3r73hl$ecs@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news1.unix.portal.com >John, > How about an indepth article on taking our animations to print. We are >struggling with printing simple of things like storyboards from our anims. > And now we are trying to do a slick VTU type piece and it isn't >happening. My two animators seem pretty adept at 3D Animation but they >don't know "squat" about what to do to get good prints.....And the printer >with his $ 2,000,000 Mitsubishi seven color press is fumbling around and >can't figure out what we need to do to get a workable file to him. > Seems to be interest on the subject, and there'll be more interest as we >all get busier and cross over into anim/graphic type projects. > >Ed >CEVAnim@aol.com > Hmmmmm. I've done this several times: it is the path of least resistance and headache. Simply have your local service bureau turn your frames into 35mm slides. Blammo! Suddenly they are in a medium the print guys & gals are comfortable with. Most (read: ALL) service bureaus around here take files over modem, so this is also headache free for Amiga users. I jpeg 'em in ADPro, modem 'em in, and never even tell the bureau they weren't done on a Mac. **************************************************************************** * (OOOOO) Jeric@cup.portal.com | Synergy Graphix & Animation * * (OOOOOOO) Welcome to Seattle! | Film and Video Productions * * /////// Have a latte'! |Technical Subjects Our Specialty! * * /////// Or else! | * * **************************************************************************** From Jeric@cup.portal.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:52 PDT 1995 Article: 7058 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7058 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!svc.portal.com!portal.com!cup.portal.com!Jeric From: Jeric@cup.portal.com (J Eric Chard) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: My beef with Newtek Date: 9 Jun 1995 23:40:10 -0700 Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 36 Sender: pccop@unix.portal.com Message-ID: <140200@cup.portal.com> References: <3ra7m9$pt1@news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news1.unix.portal.com Eric Soulovie (or whatever) writes: >I just wanted to take a moment to bring up a slight problem that I am >having with Newtek policy and to see if anyone could recommend what I >should do. > >I purchased my T4000 before the stand-alone version of LW was released. >I bought it JUST for LW. The only thing that the Toaster card gets used >for is the composite out. I was looking to upgrade from 3.1 to 4.0 so I >called Newtek. They told me that because I have the integrated system >(card/software) I would have to pay about $600 to upgrade the entire >system instead of the $149 just for the stand-alone LW upgrade. > >Quite frankly, I do not give a damn about the rest of the toaster >system. That extra $450 could easily go toward more memory or another >harddrive. Something that would get used. Don't know if you care, but I find having the rest of the Toaster and its s/w quite handy. The CG, for instance, is a lot handier in creating bump maps than trying to assemble a page of text in Modeler. Also, lame as it is, Toasterpaint STILL has about the most USEFUL transparency options and redo functions. (TVPaint stinks up the universe in these two areas. Damn frogs.) I even grab things with the Toaster, although I usually do it with my PAR. **************************************************************************** * (OOOOO) Jeric@cup.portal.com | Synergy Graphix & Animation * * (OOOOOOO) Welcome to Seattle! | Film and Video Productions * * /////// Have a latte'! |Technical Subjects Our Specialty! * * /////// Or else! | * * **************************************************************************** From davep@access1.digex.net Sat Jun 10 09:54:02 PDT 1995 Article: 7059 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7059 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news3.digex.net!access1!davep From: davep@access1.digex.net (Dave Paige) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave OS Date: 10 Jun 1995 01:27:09 GMT Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3rasdd$a71@news3.digex.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: access1.digex.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Napoleon (napoleon@ra.isisnet.com) wrote: : Heylo, : I am about to purchase a new system for the main purpose of running Lightwave. : Does anyone have any suggestions whether I should go with Windows 3.1 or : Windows NT? : Any comments would be appreciated, : Napoleon I would suggest Windows NT Workstation 3.5. Dave From wturber@primenet.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:49 PDT 1995 Article: 7060 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7060 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip076.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter J. Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: My beef with Newtek Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 01:18:36 LOCAL Organization: Primenet Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <3ra7m9$pt1@news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip076.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <3ra7m9$pt1@news.primenet.com> yarrick@primenet.com (Eric Soulvie) writes: >From: yarrick@primenet.com (Eric Soulvie) >Subject: My beef with Newtek >Date: 9 Jun 1995 19:33:29 GMT >I just wanted to take a moment to bring up a slight problem that I am >having with Newtek policy and to see if anyone could recommend what I >should do. >I purchased my T4000 before the stand-alone version of LW was released. >I bought it JUST for LW. The only thing that the Toaster card gets used >for is the composite out. I was looking to upgrade from 3.1 to 4.0 so I >called Newtek. They told me that because I have the integrated system >(card/software) I would have to pay about $600 to upgrade the entire >system instead of the $149 just for the stand-alone LW upgrade. >Quite frankly, I do not give a damn about the rest of the toaster >system. That extra $450 could easily go toward more memory or another >harddrive. Something that would get used. >Am I only only one that has had this problem? What should I do? I'm >afraid that I am going to have to bite the bullet. >Be seeing you, > Yarrick How 'bout seeing if you can sell the Toaster to someone who needs it. There is a fair chance you can sell it for enough to by LW 4.0 outright. I don't know if LW 3.5 SA is out there and available. If it is, I'm pretty sure the upgrade has been extended to July. I'd check details on the upgrade B4 buying though. _________________________________________________________________ Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Phoenix, AZ |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber ...........................|ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber From dbullard@xmission.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:30 PDT 1995 Article: 7061 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7061 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:226 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!xmission!slc67 From: dbullard@xmission.com (Douglas Bullard) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW student pricing? Date: Sat, 10 Jun 95 08:21:35 GMT Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3rbkmk$dc4@news.xmission.com> References: <3r1mob$p99@carrera. <3r4dje$m4n@carrera.inc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: slc67.xmission.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #2 wturber@primenet.com (Walter J. Turberville (III)) wrote: >Maybe it is a good idea. Maybe it isn't. Nobody has provided any good >objective data to back either position. I know for a fact that a _lot_ of students would love LightWave at a cheaper price at my university, they all buy 3DS for $200 and then bitch because my output looks so much better... Since LW is dongle protected, NewTek really has nothing to lose by offering a discount to students, since they wouldn't buy it anyway. And then they get money on upgrades (where the real money is in the life of a program, I think). Look at Apple - they did this type of program, and Macs are EVERYWHERE on campus. Douglas Bullard From vector@panix.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:12 PDT 1995 Article: 7062 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7062 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: vector@panix.com (Charles Sung Lee) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: More benchmark results Date: 10 Jun 1995 04:39:03 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 55 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3rbln7$bgn@panix3.panix.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hi Glyn, let me add my entry to the list (in hope that my machine performance is up to par...) Glyn Williams (glynw@cix.compulink.co.uk) wrote: : More Benchmark results. : Scene: Blade (the Tyrell building ) : Frame 54 (The Spinner is in view) : Camera: : Trace Shadows ON : Medium Resolution (Video) : Limited Res 752x320 From 752x480 : Pixel Ratio D2 Aspect 1.0 : Adaptive Sampling (8) - Soft Filter on : * Field Rendering OFF <--different from default. : Motion Blur On : (This frame needs a 9M segment to finish in 1 pass) >Here are options which we not specified in your specifications, hopefully >matching what you did. >My Segment Size: 8663050 bytes (enough for 1 segment) >Show Rendering in Progress = Disabled : Machine OS RAM Seg Size Time : --------------------------------------------------------- : DX266 Windows 95 20M 9M 50m : DX266 Win4Wg 8M ? 85m : P90 NT3.51 16M 9M 20m : P90 NT3.51 16M 3M 19m : P90 Win4Wg 32M ? 19m : P90 NTs3.5 32M ? 19m Aspen Alpha Windows NT 64MB 8.26MB 5min 49 sec. 275Mhz Workstation 21064 3.50 BTW, there is one thing I'd like to ask to all NT users out there. Every 11 seconds (or so) there is a System process which jumps to ~100% on the performance meter. This happens to slow down the real-time preview when it occurs and I'm wondering if there is a way to reduce the instance of this system process occuring. And, I find that I have 30.9MB of RAM free when I start Lightwave (out of 64MB). I do have the TCP/IP stack running so I can ftp to my PAR, so I'm wondering where the huge memory drain is coming from. I guess I could remedy the memory drain with a purchase of a 4x36 SIMM, but I'd rather not :) Thanks all! o---------------------------o------------------------o-----------------------o | Charles Lee (IRC:VVisions)|:. \\// \\// .:|LightWave 3D Animation | | The Supreme Martyr |::. \/ector \/isions .::| - 212-684-5888 - | o-----------o---------------^------------------------^---------o-------------o | Homepage: http://www.rose.brandeis.edu/users/lee | o-----------------------/\/-|-\/\------------------o From jamesb@clark.net Sat Jun 10 09:54:25 PDT 1995 Article: 7063 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7063 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!clark.net!jamesb From: James Brooks Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: After Render...it locks! Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 06:41:55 -0400 Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <199506100710.DAA00441@clark.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199506100710.DAA00441@clark.net> On Sat, 10 Jun 1995, Hardin Brett Arvid wrote: > On &D in article you wrote: > | I am using the Toaster's LW 3.5. I have had this version I guess since > | October. It has NEVER done what I am about to explain. > > | All I had was a cylinder in LAYOUT and 1 image (64 color brush from > | DPaint) that I have used as a surface in Cylindrical mapping on its Y axis. > | I had the output out thru the Toaster (I normally do). > > | Everything rendered okay on that frame (it is NOT an anim, just F9 it) > | after it rendered I hit the RETURN key to get back to LAYOUT but it would > | not respond! I have tried the ESC key as well and nothing. I do notice > | something different and that is when I was flipping thru my screens there > | are 2 of the SAME screens with the message of how much time and frame and > | stuff! I was thinking I might have been on the wrong frame so I tried to > | hit RETURN and ESC key on that frame and still nothing. CPU % is normal > | so LW itself was not eating up CPU time. > > | Have anyone else ever had this problem with Toaster's LW 3.5? > | It ONLY happened one time to me and it seems to be a pretty solid > | program to me, but I really have not touch the surface when it comes to > | power of Lightwave. :-) > > i have had LW do similar things.. seems terminus locks up the cia chips > that LW likes to have as well, well maybe not lw but the toaster, and > well it crashed pretty well.. dont think this can happen on the lw 3.5 > sa.. > > Chris Alexander - Editor LightSmith the magazine I believe my problem might be the parallel port what my A/B/C/D box is selected to at the time when I load Toaster. All I know it just locked up real tight and it would not let me take control. I will admit that I had GigaMem running in the BG but I did not have LW to use virtual memory because I wanted to speed up rendering that one frame. I just guess it was the Toaster's video that just choked. :-/ Later, Alex --------------------------------------------------------------- James "Alex" Brooks Amiga 4000/040/28MHz 22MB RAM Lightwave 3.5 / Imagine 3.0 VideoToaster 4000 3.1 Syquest 3.5" 270MB Bernoulli 90Pro NEC 3xp Triple Speed CDROM Warp Engine 4028 Epson ES-600C Scanner E-Mail: jamesb@clark.net -------------------------------------------------------------- From B.P.Smith@bradford.ac.uk Sat Jun 10 09:55:58 PDT 1995 Article: 7064 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7064 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:227 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!bradford.ac.uk!bpsmith From: B.P.Smith@bradford.ac.uk (BP SMITH) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave, Subject: Re: Study with Ron Thornton! What do you want to learn? Date: 10 Jun 1995 11:54:18 GMT Organization: University of Bradford Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3rc15a$flo@columbia.acc.brad.ac.uk> References: <3qvdr1$skk@news.primenet.com> <9506090040.AA000cy@imc-a1.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: discovery.brad.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Iain Colledge (iainc@imc-a1.demon.co.uk) wrote: : Brady Caverly (Brady@desktopimages.com) wrote: : : If you could apprentice with Foundation Imaging's Ron Thornton, : : what would you want to learn? : How the hell do they keep track of the thruster exhausts on : the Starfuries? I have do a ship with a similar engine layout : and setting up all the envelopes by hand after getting the : motion right is driving me nuts. They do it by hand it. Sometimes they fuck up. There's a good one in "Knives" where the thrusters appear through the Star Fury's engines. _____________________________________________________________________________ Benjamin Smith University of Bradford, "Strike me down and I shall become more England powerful than you can possibly imagine" ----------------------------------------------------------Obi-Wan-Kenobi----- From chriso5683@aol.com Sat Jun 10 09:56:08 PDT 1995 Article: 7065 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7065 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chriso5683@aol.com (ChrisO5683) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: FS : Lightwave 4.0 for windows Date: 10 Jun 1995 09:11:13 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 2 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3rc5lh$gna@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: chriso5683@aol.com (ChrisO5683) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Shipped for $750. This is not registered and hardly used. I need the money and have to sell. From davidh1734@aol.com Sat Jun 10 09:55:14 PDT 1995 Article: 7066 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7066 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: davidh1734@aol.com (DavidH1734) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: More benchmark results Date: 10 Jun 1995 11:27:53 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 42 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3rcdlp$i6l@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3rbln7$bgn@panix3.panix.com> Reply-To: davidh1734@aol.com (DavidH1734) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com >..Glyn Williams (glynw@cix.compulink.co.uk) wrote: >: More Benchmark results. >: Scene: Blade (the Tyrell building ) >: Frame 54 (The Spinner is in view) >: Camera: >: Trace Shadows ON >: Medium Resolution (Video) >: Limited Res 752x320 From 752x480 >: Pixel Ratio D2 Aspect 1.0 >: Adaptive Sampling (8) - Soft Filter on >: * Field Rendering OFF <--different from default. >: Motion Blur On >: (This frame needs a 9M segment to finish in 1 pass) >Here are options which we not specified in your specifications, hopefully >matching what you did. >My Segment Size: 8663050 bytes (enough for 1 segment) >Show Rendering in Progress = Disabled >: Machine OS RAM Seg Size Time >: --------------------------------------------------------- >: DX266 Windows 95 20M 9M 50m >: DX266 Win4Wg 8M ? 85m >: P90 NT3.51 16M 9M 20m >: P90 NT3.51 16M 3M 19m >: P90 Win4Wg 32M ? 19m >: P90 NTs3.5 32M ? 19m >Aspen Alpha Windows NT 64MB 8.26M 5m49s. >275Mhz Workstation >21064 3.50 Ok, here's my SuperMicron p55cw 100.(triton chip set, 12ns 256k cache, cpu upgradeable to 188mhz,edo support etc.,seems faster than your average bear ?) The Alphas' kind of a tough act to follow but here goes. Machine OS RAM Seg Size Time P100 NT3.5 64M 8.76 13m 32s Thanks! From abersoft@cix.compulink.co.uk Sat Jun 10 09:55:15 PDT 1995 Article: 7067 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7067 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!btnet!news.compulink.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: abersoft@cix.compulink.co.uk ("John Jones Steele") Subject: Re: More benchmark results Message-ID: Organization: Abersoft References: Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 15:27:59 GMT X-News-Software: Ameol Lines: 19 To add to Glynn's list Machine OS RAM Seg Size Time --------------------------------------------------------- DX266 Windows 95 20M 9M 50m DX266 Win4Wg 8M ? 85m P90 NT3.51 16M 9M 20m P90 NT3.51 16M 3M 19m P90 Win4Wg 32M ? 19m P90 NTs3.5 32M ? 19m --------------------------------------------------------- Amiga (VMEM) 14M 2.2M 110m DX4/100 Win4Wg 16M 2.2M 30m DX4/100 Win95 16M 2.2M 33m I am a bit surprised with the Win95 times. John Jones-Steele - Broadsword Interactive Ltd. From aq722@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Sat Jun 10 09:54:15 PDT 1995 Article: 7068 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7068 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aq722 From: aq722@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Gregor) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: PCs - i`m sick of hearing about `em!! Date: 10 Jun 1995 16:07:32 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3rcg05$hi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> References: <3qllf5$5f0@dux.dundee.ac.uk> Reply-To: aq722@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Gregor) NNTP-Posting-Host: kanga.ins.cwru.edu >users?, this newsgroup is being dominated by complaining PC users. Keep it Get used to it. It will become more and more so in the future as people continue to move away from the Amiga. The Amiga may have had a nicer architecture than the PC will ever have, and it may have a nicer operating system than WinNT or Win95, but that just isn't sufficient in today's market. The trouble is that by the time LW 5.0 is released, instead of PCs being 5 or 10 times as fast as Amigas, they will be 50 or 100 times as fast, much cheaper, and there will be even fewer vendors supporting the Amiga than there are now, so virtually all the applications will be PC based. If you talk to Newtek employees privately, they express doubt that LW 5.0 will even be released for the Amiga at all. If the PC version is selling more copies in several days than the Amiga version sells in a year, it is just simple economics - it isn't profitable to continue to invest in a dead platform when those same resources could be put into improving the PC and other versions of the software. And, as you may have seen from all the comments about LW on TRS-80s, there comes a time when platforms are just too slow to compete, no matter how nice their environment may be. It doesn't take long for a platform to reach that point. So don't complain about LW moving to the PC. At least it is keeping the program viable. Otherwise, it would have died with the Amiga, as so many other Amiga applications did. At least it is available now and continues to live. Without moving to the PC (PC Toaster/PC Lightwave/etc.) Newtek likely would not have survived the ever-shrinking Amiga market. Crying about how LW is becoming a PC program won't change reality. The market cares about economics, price/performance, support, and standards, not brand loyalty. John From Anthony_-_Ramirez@cup.portal.com Sun Jun 11 22:44:54 PDT 1995 Article: 7069 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7069 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!simtel!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!svc.portal.com!portal.com!cup.portal.com!Anthony_-_Ramirez From: Anthony_-_Ramirez@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW student pricing? Date: 10 Jun 1995 11:00:04 -0700 Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 23 Sender: pccop@unix.portal.com Message-ID: <140216@cup.portal.com> References: <3qmq4h$fo3@news.globalone.net> <3qvp7m$eh2@darwin.nbnet.nb.ca> <3r1mob$p99@carrera.inc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: news1.unix.portal.com > >>dkennett@malibu.sfu.ca (Daniel Kennett) writes: >> Well as a student who can't afford to spend $3000 (cdn) for 3D studio, >> I'm for educational pricing. I find educational pricing an excellent idea, > >You find it an excellent idea because it benefits you. > >> it allows students the ability to buy software the couldn't normally >> afford. > >There are many people that aren't students that can't afford $3K either. >Why should you as a student get a discount and not them. The answer is, >you shouldn't. Student discounts are to help them `USE' a commercial product while in school so they can be prepared to enter into the real world. I think that Educational Discounts for students is a good idea, but not the way it is done today. I think they should offer a Educational version of the package that has ALL the features of the commercial version but when rendering add a LW logo onto the image. This will make the package useless for commercial use but still be usefull for students to learn the software so they may start thier careers after graduation. From jgross@netcom.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:01 PDT 1995 Article: 7070 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7070 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:236 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Path: netcom.com!jgross From: jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) Subject: Re: Rendering error? Message-ID: Followup-To: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3rbegn$65b@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 22:59:59 GMT Lines: 21 Sender: jgross@netcom4.netcom.com Brenden Mecleary (bman2@ix.netcom.com) wrote: : I've got a situation here that disturbs/worries/angers me. : Whenever I render in Lightwave, I notice that it seems to create an : error along the left edge of the image, only one pixel wide, where some : of the polygons just don't seem to render, and the backdrop : color/picture shows through. Most of my animations are space : animations, where I usually never have anything near the edges, so I : never noticed before now (since the backdrop SHOULD show), but when I : had to create a rendering of a beach for a project I'm working on, : where the beach went all the way off the side of the image, it was much : more noticable. No matter what, I couldn't get rid of it. All the : polygons' normals are right side up, double sided on or off, : antialiasing on or off, any resolution. I was wondering if anyone : could tell me what this is, and if possible, how to fix it? Thanks in : advance for any help. It's a known bug that will (hopefully) be cleared up in the final shipping version... JG From jgross@netcom.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:04 PDT 1995 Article: 7071 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7071 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!jgross From: jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) Subject: Re: Help! Installing LightWave Pre R. Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3ql1pj$3eg@driene.student.utwente.nl> <3r7skm$bp3@nic.tip.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 23:13:18 GMT Lines: 8 Sender: jgross@netcom4.netcom.com : Isn't the drivers only for NT to allow LW to read the hardware : (dongle) ? This is correct. NT does not allow direct acces to hardware, so drivers are needed. Windows and Win95 do allow direct access, ans so you only have to install the dongle, not the software. JG From jgross@netcom.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:12 PDT 1995 Article: 7072 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7072 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!jgross From: jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) Subject: Re: NT slower than 3legd dog Explained at last! Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3qtvk5$j3b@cdn_mail.telecom.com.au> <3r786t$45k@warp.cris.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 23:28:39 GMT Lines: 19 Sender: jgross@netcom4.netcom.com : In , jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) writes: : >Just for your info.. : > : >1000 objects per scene : >1000 lights per scene : >1000 images per scene : >32,000 bones per object (personally, I've only had a need for about : >28,000 bones - the pop-up only takes 5 hours to go thru em!) : >300 pounds per animator : > : >JG : AHA! I'm too fat! That's why it's running slow on my system. ;) It also depends on the size of your monitor. The bigger your monitor, the larger a space LightWave has to fill and the longer your render times. Get a small 5 or 9 inch monitor to get the faster rendering times. JG From bman2@ix.netcom.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:03 PDT 1995 Article: 7073 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7073 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:237 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: bman2@ix.netcom.com (Brenden Mecleary ) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Rendering error? Date: 10 Jun 1995 23:26:15 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3rd9mn$6u4@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <3rbegn$65b@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-esc-ca1-01.ix.netcom.com In jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) writes: >It's a known bug that will (hopefully) be cleared up in the final >shipping version... > >JG Thanks for clearing that up for me! Brenden Mecleary From jgross@netcom.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:19 PDT 1995 Article: 7074 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7074 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!jgross From: jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) Subject: Re: LW Benchmarks in LWPro Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 23:34:46 GMT Lines: 32 Sender: jgross@netcom4.netcom.com Walter J. Turberville (III) (wturber@primenet.com) wrote: : Just got the May LWPro. Would like to thank John Gross and Philip Rice : for their excellent coverage of the possible combinations of machines etc. I : would like to point out two things though: : 1) There is a misplaced comma on the time for the Amiga 3000 under the : ZbufSort.lws scene. I'm pretty sure this is why the graph shows an erroneous : length for this test. You are correct. : 2) After all the discussion about what is and is not a good test scene, the : results for all of the scenes tend to bunch up on all but the fastest 21164 : based Alphas. Additionally, the Texture examples scene seems to be somewhere : in the middle of all the "bunches". This is pretty amazing considering that : these scenes were specifically designed to stress certain different aspects of : rendering. Again, correct. This is a new Textures scene which has a little more computationally difficult objects, but still not enough "normal polygons" that may make up a typical scene. : I am assuming that these scenes and configurations were such that no virtual : memory was used while rendering. Is this correct? Yes. In addition, these benchmarks were designed to test differnt CPU's, We will be conducting another that will test specific "systems".... JGross editor, LWPRO From andy@crazybe.demon.co.uk Sun Jun 11 22:45:23 PDT 1995 Article: 7075 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7075 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:239 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!not-for-mail From: Andrew Barnett Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave, Subject: Re: Study with Ron Thornton! What do you want to learn? Followup-To: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave, Date: 11 Jun 1995 02:57:05 +0100 Organization: Bitchin' FX.... Lines: 28 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <9506101903.AA0010c@crazybe.demon.co.uk> References: <3qvdr1$skk@news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [AMIGA 1.3 950131BETA PL0] X-Posting-Host: crazybe.demon.co.uk Brady Caverly (Brady@desktopimages.com) wrote: : If you could apprentice with Foundation Imaging's Ron Thornton, : what would you want to learn? : : Desktop Images has just produced two new instructional videos : with this Emmy Award winning visual FX director and chief model : designer for PTN's Babylon 5. We'll soon be going back to : shoot several more and I thought I'd find out what secrets and : techniques would most interest professional LightWave 3D : artists. : : In the two current tapes, he walks you through the complete : process of modeling and surfacing a fully polished, network : quality spacecraft. Can we get these vids in the UK ? -- Nuff said, Andrew Barnett +--------------------------------------+ _ _____ o | A4k30fp, 18Mb, 760HD, LightWave 3.5, | o _____ _ | \_/ *\ o | Forge 1.0, Essence 2 | o /* \_/ | | _ PGP ]o |UK Moderator of LightWave FidoNet Echo| o[ 2.6ui _ | `-' `-----' | andy@crazybe.demon.co.uk | `-----' `-' +--------------------------------------+ Bitchin' F From johnmark@ix.netcom.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:13 PDT 1995 Article: 7076 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7076 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: johnmark@ix.netcom.com (John Roquemore) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: NT slower than 3legd dog Explained at last! Date: 11 Jun 1995 02:52:04 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3rdlok$pmo@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <3qtvk5$j3b@cdn_mail.telecom.com.au> <3r786t$45k@warp.cris.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-bos7-17.ix.netcom.com In jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) writes: > >: In , jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) writes: >: >Just for your info.. >: > >: >1000 objects per scene >: >1000 lights per scene >: >1000 images per scene >: >32,000 bones per object (personally, I've only had a need for about >: >28,000 bones - the pop-up only takes 5 hours to go thru em!) >: >300 pounds per animator >: > >: >JG > >: AHA! I'm too fat! That's why it's running slow on my system. ;) > >It also depends on the size of your monitor. The bigger your monitor, the >larger a space LightWave has to fill and the longer your render times. >Get a small 5 or 9 inch monitor to get the faster rendering times. > >JG Or maybe it would be better to get those 1" monitors that you can carry around....;-) John Mark Roquemore net: johnmark@ix.netcom.com From prems@wane3.scri.fsu.edu Sun Jun 11 22:44:49 PDT 1995 Article: 7077 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7077 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.fsu.edu!news From: Prem Subrahmanyam Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Attention Lightwave Resellers! Date: 9 Jun 1995 01:31:30 GMT Organization: Florida State University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3r889i$t58@mailer.fsu.edu> References: <3r744s$ob@horus.infinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nb6p19-bfs.scri.fsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) djr@infinet.com (Dan J. Rockwell) wrote: >I'll still support lightwave, but more and more its becoming a boxhouse >item. And i might was well startup a training school for all those other >boxhouses that have left customer hanging for support. >My .02 angry cents.... >Dan How about just selling your support services for the difference between $30 over cost and your cost, and give it free to those lucky souls who happened to buy the product from you. From hancom@crl.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:32 PDT 1995 Article: 7078 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7078 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com!not-for-mail From: hancom@crl.com (Han Lee) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Conversion Utility to 3DS or DXF format? Date: 10 Jun 1995 20:41:13 -0700 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3rdokp$aop@crl.crl.com> References: <3r7o30$jt4@crl10.crl.com> <3r89vc$sfr@carrera.inc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com In article <3r89vc$sfr@carrera.inc.net>, John Foust wrote: >In article <3r7o30$jt4@crl10.crl.com>, hancom@crl.com (Han Lee) says: >> >>I've just purchased a LightWave 3D for Windows. I'm a new LightWave 3D >>user and also new to this newsgroup. I desperately need help in >>converting LightWave model file format to either 3D Studio or DXF format. >>I'm making a game using some libraries that can only accept the above >>formats. Is there any programs that do this? > >My company makes InterChange, a program that does just that. >For more info, call (414) 674-5200. But your company's product is just SO expensive. I just went broke after buying that $900 LightWave and I have to spend another $500 to buy conversion utility? Actually, all I really need is 3DS ascii format. Is there any program that does just that? How about your company releasing a "lite" version of InterChage for $50 or so that just supports one or two file formats. I'll buy that right away. Han Lee __ President of RFC (Rutubo Fan Club) " / / /_/ / " hancom@crl.com /_/ /| o - Terry Bogard From argon@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Sun Jun 11 22:45:25 PDT 1995 Article: 7079 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7079 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!skypoint.com!news3.mr.net!mr.net!news.mr.net!urvile.msus.edu!tigger.stcloud.msus.edu!ARGON From: argon@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: More benchmark results Date: 11 Jun 1995 03:15:18 GMT Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3rdn46$i80@urvile.MSUS.EDU> References: Reply-To: argon@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu In article , cbarger@indirect.com (Christopher H. Barger) writes: >In article glynw@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Glyn Williams") writes: >>From: glynw@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Glyn Williams") >>Subject: More benchmark results >>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 19:14:00 GMT > >>More Benchmark results. > >>Here is the test, which I guess is a pretty typical >>TV quality image. > >>Scene: Blade (the Tyrell building ) >> Frame 54 (The Spinner is in view) >> Camera: >> Trace Shadows ON >> Medium Resolution (Video) >> Limited Res 752x320 From 752x480 >> Pixel Ratio D2 Aspect 1.0 >> Adaptive Sampling (8) - Soft Filter on >> * Field Rendering OFF <--different from default. >> Motion Blur On >> (This frame needs a 9M segment to finish in 1 pass) > >>Could we have some P120s,Amigas,Mips and Alphas to compare please. Please >>add your posting onto this list. > Hi I just rendered this file on a P120 with 32megs of RAM running Windows for Workgroups 3.11 and got >Where can I/we get a copy of your benct 17m 14s. ARGON > From dan.bloomfield@mercopus.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:07 PDT 1995 Article: 7080 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7080 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!mercopus!dan.bloomfield From: dan.bloomfield@mercopus.com (Dan Bloomfield) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Comment on Lightwave anti-aliasing Message-ID: <6760.760.uupcb@mercopus.com> Date: 10 Jun 95 23:20:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Mercury Opus BBS - St. Petersburg, FL - 813-321-0734 Reply-To: dan.bloomfield@mercopus.com (Dan Bloomfield) References: Lines: 18 -> Single-pass AA is a little like that. In order to do AA, LW needs -> more information than it can get by rendering just the center of each -> pixel. LW needs to know the RGB values at several points on each -> pixel, and the only way to get that information is to make multiple -> rendering passes. By definition a pixel cannot have different RGB values at different "points" since it is the smallest picture element on a screen. For normal anti-aliasing LW does an edge detection routine and only re-renders pixels on an "edge" between RGB values as determined by the edge threshold setting. Lens flares are re-rendered on each pass, and all pixels are re-rendered on each pass only when using motion blur or depth of field. ---- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mercury Opus BBS - St. Petersburg, Florida, USA - +1-813-321-0734 | | 2000 Conferences - 100,000 Files - One of America's Top 100 BBS Systems | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dan.bloomfield@mercopus.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:22 PDT 1995 Article: 7081 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7081 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!mercopus!dan.bloomfield From: dan.bloomfield@mercopus.com (Dan Bloomfield) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Benchmark Results Message-ID: <6761.760.uupcb@mercopus.com> Date: 10 Jun 95 23:38:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Mercury Opus BBS - St. Petersburg, FL - 813-321-0734 Reply-To: dan.bloomfield@mercopus.com (Dan Bloomfield) References: Lines: 21 -> Motion Blur On -> -> Machine OS RAM Segment Size Time -> ------------------------------------------------------------ -> DX266 Windows 95 20M 9M 50m20 -> P90 NT 16M 9M 20m -> P90 NT 16M 3M 19m -> -> I'm interested in buying the most cost-efficient renderer around. How -> do Amigas, Screamers, P120s and Alphas do? -> (Please please please, no my machines are better than yours.) Our 275 mhz 21064 based Dec Alpha's are consistenly 4-6 times faster than a Pentium 90, but they don't cost 4 times as much. Nuff said. But if you are thinking Alpha, try to get one of the new 21164 machines, which should be twice as fast. ---- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mercury Opus BBS - St. Petersburg, Florida, USA - +1-813-321-0734 | | 2000 Conferences - 100,000 Files - One of America's Top 100 BBS Systems | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From davep@access1.digex.net Sun Jun 11 22:45:09 PDT 1995 Article: 7082 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7082 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news3.digex.net!access1!davep From: davep@access1.digex.net (Dave Paige) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Comment on Lightwave anti-aliasing Date: 11 Jun 1995 04:28:38 GMT Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3rdrdm$jl6@news3.digex.net> References: <6760.760.uupcb@mercopus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: access1.digex.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Dan Bloomfield (dan.bloomfield@mercopus.com) wrote: : -> Single-pass AA is a little like that. In order to do AA, LW needs : -> more information than it can get by rendering just the center of each : -> pixel. LW needs to know the RGB values at several points on each : -> pixel, and the only way to get that information is to make multiple : -> rendering passes. : By definition a pixel cannot have different RGB values at different : "points" since it is the smallest picture element on a screen. For : normal anti-aliasing LW does an edge detection routine and only : re-renders pixels on an "edge" between RGB values as determined by the : edge threshold setting. Lens flares are re-rendered on each pass, and : all pixels are re-rendered on each pass only when using motion blur or : depth of field. : ---- : +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ : | Mercury Opus BBS - St. Petersburg, Florida, USA - +1-813-321-0734 | : | 2000 Conferences - 100,000 Files - One of America's Top 100 BBS Systems | : +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ And when adaptive sampling is turned off or threshold is set to zero. Dave From davep@access1.digex.net Sun Jun 11 22:44:51 PDT 1995 Article: 7083 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7083 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!news3.digex.net!access1!davep From: davep@access1.digex.net (Dave Paige) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Attention Lightwave Resellers! Date: 11 Jun 1995 04:34:16 GMT Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3rdro8$jl6@news3.digex.net> References: <3r744s$ob@horus.infinet.com> <3r889i$t58@mailer.fsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: access1.digex.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Prem Subrahmanyam (prems@wane3.scri.fsu.edu) wrote: : djr@infinet.com (Dan J. Rockwell) wrote: : >I'll still support lightwave, but more and more its becoming a boxhouse : >item. And i might was well startup a training school for all those other : >boxhouses that have left customer hanging for support. : >My .02 angry cents.... : >Dan : How about just selling your support services for the : difference between $30 over cost and your cost, and give : it free to those lucky souls who happened to buy the : product from you. Unfortunately we'll never be able to convince some resellers that they should be making a decent profit on a product and providing quality support after the sale as well. But this is a free market society to it's hard to argue that those resellers are wrong. The best thing we do is to show the customer that we supportive dealers truely add value to the product when they purchase from us. Dave Paige Washington Professional Systems Wheaton, MD davep@access.digex.net From argon@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Sun Jun 11 22:45:29 PDT 1995 Article: 7084 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7084 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!nwfocus1.wa.com!nwfocus.wa.com!news.cyberstore.ca!skypoint.com!news3.mr.net!mr.net!news.mr.net!urvile.msus.edu!tigger.stcloud.msus.edu!ARGON From: argon@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: More benchmark results Date: 11 Jun 1995 03:24:46 GMT Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Lines: 50 Message-ID: <3rdnlu$i80@urvile.MSUS.EDU> References: <3rbln7$bgn@panix3.panix.com> <3rcdlp$i6l@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: argon@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu In article <3rcdlp$i6l@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, davidh1734@aol.com (DavidH1734) writes: >>..Glyn Williams (glynw@cix.compulink.co.uk) wrote: >>: More Benchmark results. > >>: Scene: Blade (the Tyrell building ) >>: Frame 54 (The Spinner is in view) >>: Camera: >>: Trace Shadows ON >>: Medium Resolution (Video) >>: Limited Res 752x320 From 752x480 >>: Pixel Ratio D2 Aspect 1.0 >>: Adaptive Sampling (8) - Soft Filter on >>: * Field Rendering OFF <--different from default. >>: Motion Blur On >>: (This frame needs a 9M segment to finish in 1 pass) > >>Here are options which we not specified in your specifications, hopefully >>matching what you did. >>My Segment Size: 8663050 bytes (enough for 1 segment) >>Show Rendering in Progress = Disabled > >>: Machine OS RAM Seg Size Time >>: --------------------------------------------------------- >>: DX266 Windows 95 20M 9M 50m >>: DX266 Win4Wg 8M ? 85m >>: P90 NT3.51 16M 9M 20m >>: P90 NT3.51 16M 3M 19m >>: P90 Win4Wg 32M ? 19m >>: P90 NTs3.5 32M ? 19m > >>Aspen Alpha Windows NT 64MB 8.26M 5m49s. >>275Mhz Workstation >>21064 3.50 > >Ok, here's my SuperMicron p55cw 100.(triton chip set, 12ns 256k cache, >cpu upgradeable to 188mhz,edo support etc.,seems faster than your average >bear ?) The Alphas' kind of a tough act to follow but here goes. > > Machine OS RAM Seg Size Time > >P100 NT3.5 64M 8.76 13m 32s p120 Win4Wg 32M 9.00 17m 14s Wow I guess NT 3.5 does make a difference. Argon >Thanks! From khansen@netcom.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:35 PDT 1995 Article: 7085 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7085 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!khansen From: khansen@netcom.com (Kevin Hansen) Subject: Direction Convention Message-ID: <3rdvmu$bns_001@netcom.com> Sender: khansen@netcom15.netcom.com Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 05:41:50 GMT Lines: 4 In the same way that the y-axis seems to be considered as "up," is there a convention for compass points. Kevin Hansen From dma@mcs.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:37 PDT 1995 Article: 7086 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7086 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!uop!pacbell.com!ames!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!simtel!news.kei.com!ddsw1!usenet From: Dan Ablan Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Selling Your Animations Date: 11 Jun 1995 05:44:01 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3rdvr1$t57@News1.mcs.com> References: <3r4p9v$pj0@carrera.inc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dma.pr.mcs.net cascio@it.uwp.edu (Mario Cascio) wrote: > I am the only business in my local area capable of 3D animation, and > there are alot of business's here that utilize television for commercial > advertisements. However, there are very tight with their money. I am > using a FLYER and am very capable of modeling logos for these > business's. What selling techniques or recommendations do any of you > more experienced LW salesman have to offer........ Although quite an unorthodox way of doing things, I have a method... make friends with someone at the best TV station in town. Offer to do their logo for NOTHING. Tell them, they can burn it, use it, copy it, whatever, you, just get the rights to put it on your demo. Make the best damn logo they've ever seen... and trust me, they will use it, even if just a station ID.. then you're in. When you send your demo, people will see that fantastic logo, and remember that they saw it on air at the competitors station, and because it was soooo good, they'll not want to be left out. Then, charge THEM accordingly. Good Luck. Dan Ablan AGA Digital Studios Chicago From freddric@aol.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:38 PDT 1995 Article: 7087 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7087 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: freddric@aol.com (Freddric) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: DPS PERCEPTION when? Date: 11 Jun 1995 02:37:12 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 1 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3re2uo$1p6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3rbe0d$fpu@pipe2.nyc.pipeline.com> Reply-To: freddric@aol.com (Freddric) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I called DPS and they said that it would be shipping by end of the month. From tankt@cris.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:40 PDT 1995 Article: 7088 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7088 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!simtel!news1.oakland.edu!warp.cris.com!usenet From: tankt@cris.com Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: FS: Lightwave $750... $30 over cost? NOT Date: 11 Jun 1995 07:58:39 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3re7nf$bfc@warp.cris.com> Reply-To: tankt@cris.com NNTP-Posting-Host: crc5.cris.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 NOT. The last three copies of lightwave I bought cost $675. That's $75 profit according to my math... Not too much, not too little. Normal price is $710 though I sell normally at $775... the truth of the matter is that you're talking about two different clientel bases. I've got a good deal of experience with lightwave and will support my sales to the best of my ability. If I can't answer, well, that's what this newsgroup and the lightwave mailing list are for. I doubt very seriously that very many buyers who go to dealers do much internetting... Two different client bases. Your argument is baseless... As far as what cost and sell price is, I'm not ashamed to tell people what it costs me and to ask for the profit. It's the people who are selling LW for 895 and still think their time is worth $50 an hour to answer questions about image mapping that I worry about... Tank Taylor Vision Imaging tankt@cris.com From erniew@access5.digex.net Sun Jun 11 22:45:11 PDT 1995 Article: 7089 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7089 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:244 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news3.digex.net!access5.digex.net!erniew From: Ernie Wright Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Comment on Lightwave anti-aliasing Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 03:50:19 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, USA Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <6760.760.uupcb@mercopus.com> <3rdrdm$jl6@news3.digex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: access5.digex.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3rdrdm$jl6@news3.digex.net> Me: > LW needs to know the RGB values at several points on each pixel ... Dan Bloomfield: > By definition a pixel cannot have different RGB values at different > "points" since it is the smallest picture element on a screen. ... (Sigh) The ideal image, the one LW is *trying* to draw, contains an *infinite* number of points. Aliasing happens when we try to represent that image with a finite number of rectangular pixels. AA attempts to overcome this limitation by allowing each pixel to contain an "average" (in some sense) of RGB values taken from several nearby points. Think of it this way. LW always has before it the complete infinity of points in the image. LW can't actually look at all of them, or even a lot of them. There isn't time. But it can look at more of them than just the 752 x 480 (or whatever) RGB values it will eventually produce, and when antialiasing is turned on, it does. - Ernie From videoman@netcom.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:48 PDT 1995 Article: 7090 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7090 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!videoman From: videoman@netcom.com Subject: Re: 256 vs. 24 bit color &&@##$$$!!!!!!! Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3qgvds$ed5@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 12:32:15 GMT Lines: 33 Sender: videoman@netcom8.netcom.com shf@netcom.com (Stuart Ferguson) writes: >Windows is a sick, sick excuse for an operating system. Even with all >the hardware acceleration in the world a Windows PC is still a crippled >autistic child with bionic implants. While it is acceptable for >spreadsheets and word-processors (barely), it has a very difficult time >coping with the relatively simple things that Modeler does as a graphics >application. I bend a lot of rules and play a lot of silly tricks to >get it to work at all. hehehe why Stuart, been working to hard lately :grin: I can't see anyone who has used an amiga for long not hate the way you have to do thing on the PC. I know I do, and the more you know, the worse it is... 64K "GDI" memory... oh great! brought to you by the people who said 640k is all you will ever need. (as well as NT with it's min ram requirements) sheesh. I would be intrested to know what types of "tricks" needed to be done, as far as a display it seems like it's not all that complex really... what had to be bent to work? As far as it working at all, now that is impressive :) I must say that the "amiga" sourced software seems to be better in a lot of ways than the PC sourced stuff, but I'm most likely biased. :) Oh and as far as speed, the Stealth 64 Video with 4 megs of Vram is with out a doubt faster than the A2000 next to it :) -- .__________________________________________________________________________. | -== When Dreams Become Reality ==- -= IM Design=- | |"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""|"""""""""""""""""""""|""""""""""""""""""""| | videoman@netcom.com | FTP: ftp.netcom.com | Video Production | | videoman@cyberspace.org | DIR: pub/videoman | 3D Graphics & DTP | | Mosaic Home Page: file://ftp.netcom.com/pub/vi/videoman/web/HOME.html | |3 Amiga's and a 100Mhz Pentium/triton/f&w SCSI/4Meg Stealth-VIDEO/3601CD | ~""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""~ From videoman@netcom.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:46 PDT 1995 Article: 7091 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7091 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!videoman From: videoman@netcom.com Subject: Re: 256 vs. 24 bit color &&@##$$$!!!!!!! Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3qgvds$ed5@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3qo8l5$f7v@server.cntfl.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 12:42:48 GMT Lines: 22 Sender: videoman@netcom8.netcom.com >OOPS! - gosh darn it! I forgot to free that HBRUSH, now my 64K chunk of >GDI heap is going down!...Captain, we can't keep eating resources like >this...she...she'll blow. On the other hand, there is a way to allocate >more DC's...just create a Window with a style of OwnDC or something >like that. >---Prem I want the the one who tied the graphics to a **64k**!!!! chunk to like... well .. be branded for life as a non-thinker :) I mean it's not like *every* darn thing fails to return memory,,, and gee 64k works real well with a 24bit screen, you can have a whole 16 icons before they turn black. basicly it's called run something, close windows, run something else. what a joke! It's not the hardware it's the dam software of the OS... how did this junk, become the most popular OS? -- .__________________________________________________________________________. | -== When Dreams Become Reality ==- -= IM Design=- | |"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""|"""""""""""""""""""""|""""""""""""""""""""| | videoman@netcom.com | FTP: ftp.netcom.com | Video Production | | videoman@cyberspace.org | DIR: pub/videoman | 3D Graphics & DTP | | Mosaic Home Page: file://ftp.netcom.com/pub/vi/videoman/web/HOME.html | |3 Amiga's and a 100Mhz Pentium/triton/f&w SCSI/4Meg Stealth-VIDEO/3601CD | ~""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""~ From videoman@netcom.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:41 PDT 1995 Article: 7092 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7092 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!videoman From: videoman@netcom.com Subject: Re: Something is *very* wrong with PC Lightwave. Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3qgvej$edo@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 12:46:22 GMT Lines: 20 Sender: videoman@netcom8.netcom.com axtell805@aol.com (Axtell805) writes: >I agree!! And I'm also upset. My 100 mhz Pentium 64 ram 9 gigs, was >bought so I could have my Lightwave dream system and it's crawling at 24 >bit (in windows 3.1). Tech support says LW needs the stinkin low 8 bit >setting 256 colors for real time interactivity and animation....but that >can't be right. Let's drive this to a resolution. Let me know anything >you find out and look for my other note. Ax well, PC's are a pick your part deal... what sort of graphics card are you useing, this is going to be the key to your redraw speed. also, hopefully your motherboard is based on the new Triton chipset, the memory and speed across the PCI bus is much improved. -- .__________________________________________________________________________. | -== When Dreams Become Reality ==- -= IM Design=- | |"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""|"""""""""""""""""""""|""""""""""""""""""""| | videoman@netcom.com | FTP: ftp.netcom.com | Video Production | | videoman@cyberspace.org | DIR: pub/videoman | 3D Graphics & DTP | | Mosaic Home Page: file://ftp.netcom.com/pub/vi/videoman/web/HOME.html | |3 Amiga's and a 100Mhz Pentium/triton/f&w SCSI/4Meg Stealth-VIDEO/3601CD | ~""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""~ From videoman@netcom.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:49 PDT 1995 Article: 7093 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7093 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!videoman From: videoman@netcom.com Subject: Re: space Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3r4oe4$p57@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <3r5537$qa@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:12:26 GMT Lines: 19 Sender: videoman@netcom8.netcom.com stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) writes: >Well, as I said - I think you'll be happy. The models are highly detailed >and we are in close a lot... >_____________________________________________ >Lee Stranahan Great to hear your doing the CGI work on this! These are the people who do X-files yes? (as in the same producer) Been waiting for this for same time! The info so far makes it seem rather Star Warsish (good thing) is this an acurate read? -- .__________________________________________________________________________. | -== When Dreams Become Reality ==- -= IM Design=- | |"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""|"""""""""""""""""""""|""""""""""""""""""""| | videoman@netcom.com | FTP: ftp.netcom.com | Video Production | | videoman@cyberspace.org | DIR: pub/videoman | 3D Graphics & DTP | | Mosaic Home Page: file://ftp.netcom.com/pub/vi/videoman/web/HOME.html | |3 Amiga's and a 100Mhz Pentium/triton/f&w SCSI/4Meg Stealth-VIDEO/3601CD | ~""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""~ From videoman@netcom.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:51 PDT 1995 Article: 7094 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7094 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!videoman From: videoman@netcom.com Subject: Re: Is more than 64meg possible on an MSdos PC?? Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <802433311snz@bitmap.co.uk> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:17:43 GMT Lines: 21 Sender: videoman@netcom8.netcom.com Chris Thomas writes: >We are currently trying to beef our machines at our company up to >128mb. We install the simms (4x32mb) and when we turn on the machines >the Bios counts up to 128mb. Unfortunately when you type Mem to check >on your new memory size it reports that you have only 64mb. Does >anyone know if this is a hardware limitation of most PC`s or is down >to some sort of shortcoming with MSdos (what no! MSdos have problems >handling memory, surely not!). Any help would be greatly appreciated. >Chris Thomas I think there is a hack, haveing to do with an EISA bus that will give you more mem. try a IBM tech that knows his/her stuff I've heard this can be hacked to work. -- .__________________________________________________________________________. | -== When Dreams Become Reality ==- -= IM Design=- | |"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""|"""""""""""""""""""""|""""""""""""""""""""| | videoman@netcom.com | FTP: ftp.netcom.com | Video Production | | videoman@cyberspace.org | DIR: pub/videoman | 3D Graphics & DTP | | Mosaic Home Page: file://ftp.netcom.com/pub/vi/videoman/web/HOME.html | |3 Amiga's and a 100Mhz Pentium/triton/f&w SCSI/4Meg Stealth-VIDEO/3601CD | ~""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""~ From ar409@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 11 22:45:30 PDT 1995 Article: 7095 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7095 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!ub!netfs.dnd.ca!dgbt!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ar409 From: ar409@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Saiyad Abdul) Subject: Re: More benchmark results Message-ID: Sender: ar409@freenet3.carleton.ca (Saiyad Abdul) Reply-To: ar409@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Saiyad Abdul) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet References: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 15:24:54 GMT Lines: 39 "Glyn Williams" (glynw@cix.compulink.co.uk) writes: > More Benchmark results. > > Here is the test, which I guess is a pretty typical > TV quality image. > > Scene: Blade (the Tyrell building ) > Frame 54 (The Spinner is in view) > Camera: > Trace Shadows ON > Medium Resolution (Video) > Limited Res 752x320 From 752x480 > Pixel Ratio D2 Aspect 1.0 > Adaptive Sampling (8) - Soft Filter on > * Field Rendering OFF <--different from default. > Motion Blur On > (This frame needs a 9M segment to finish in 1 pass) > > Machine OS RAM Seg Size Time > --------------------------------------------------------- > DX266 Windows 95 20M 9M 50m > DX266 Win4Wg 8M ? 85m > P90 NT3.51 16M 9M 20m > P90 NT3.51 16M 3M 19m > P90 Win4Wg 32M ? 19m > P90 NTs3.5 32M ? 19m > > Could we have some P120s,Amigas,Mips and Alphas to compare please. Please > add your posting onto this list. > > Glyn Williams - Particle Systems Ltd. Wouldn't an incredibly relevant info also include smartdrv settings as well as size and cofiguration of virtual memory.....I think to be be even a little scientific and useful you have to include at least that info. Sai From davep@access1.digex.net Sun Jun 11 22:45:36 PDT 1995 Article: 7096 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7096 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!news3.digex.net!access1!davep From: davep@access1.digex.net (Dave Paige) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Direction Convention Date: 11 Jun 1995 16:24:15 GMT Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3rf5bf$nbb@news3.digex.net> References: <3rdvmu$bns_001@netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: access1.digex.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Kevin Hansen (khansen@netcom.com) wrote: : In the same way that the y-axis seems to be considered as "up," is : there a convention for compass points. : Kevin Hansen Well if you build your objects so that they point in the positive Z direction then adjustments to heading will correspond to compass headings. Dave From wturber@primenet.com Sun Jun 11 22:44:56 PDT 1995 Article: 7098 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7098 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:248 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip168.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter J. Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW student pricing? Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 09:52:55 LOCAL Organization: Primenet Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <3r4dje$m4n@carrera.inc.net> <3rae2c$l21@qualcomm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip168.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <3rae2c$l21@qualcomm.com> glane@happy.qualcomm.com (George Lane) writes: >From: glane@happy.qualcomm.com (George Lane) >Subject: Re: LW student pricing? >Date: 9 Jun 1995 21:22:20 GMT >wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com wrote: >> Maybe it is a good idea. Maybe it isn't. Nobody has provided any good >> objective data to back either position. >Dec used this strategy in order to unseat IBM mainframes with their >minicomputers by giving incentives to universities. I don't think they >would have made a dent in the market if they didn't. Thousands of computer >science students graduate each year. Educational incentives is one way to >generate a loyal following. Sometimes there is a conflict between long range >and short range business needs. >George Lane >Opinions are mine only. No employer would claim them. What is interesting about this is that it too is an opinion. "I don't think . . ." Again, no objective data. You may be right, but it remains conjecture and nobody really knows how sucessful DEC would have been otherwise. I am sure DEC had other strategies at work as well. So which one had the best effect? I suspect that smart young computer science students aren't as concerned about loyality as they are about using the best tools. With software and hardware changing rapidly (Mac jumps from 040 to PowerPC and now has mips edge over Intel x86 for example), "loyalty" isn't necessarily a good thing. Nor can companies expect a bunch of it from users. _________________________________________________________________ Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Phoenix, AZ |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber ...........................|ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber From ursamino@infi.net Sun Jun 11 22:45:55 PDT 1995 Article: 7099 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7099 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!usenet From: ursamino@infi.net (Sumner Bell) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: LW Dongle Date: 11 Jun 1995 17:07:21 GMT Organization: DLDS Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3rf7s9$93s@lucy.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-midnight.infi.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6 Ok, I am what you could call the ultimate in LOW BUDGET. I'm 15 years old, and my school asked me to create an educational computer game for them. I told them that i couldn't draw, and would need a high-res scanner + someone that could draw/paint + a decent graphics editing program. Or,I said, I could raytrace it if they got me Lightwave. Well, after about a month of 'looking for money' they finally went out and ordered. Anyway, They have given me a free bell + access to 3 computer labs after school to work on it. The only problem is, if i want to raytrace something at school, it will take a while on the 486-33's and 66's. I thought i could get around spending years in the lab watching LW trace by running LW on multiple computers so I could get a 20 shots done each bell, instead of one. My question is, if I run LW off of a Network Drive, or take the dongle out after I load the program, will it work? Does anyone know of another way to get around this. I don't know if that would be considered piracy or not. There would be more than one copy running at a time, but a: there is no forseeable way to get 20 copies b: i got LW specifically for this purpose c: It's licenced to Me, and i'm running it all the time. I don't know. i havent gotten it yet, so i havent had time to play around with it. Do you think that NEWTEK could help me out? Any input appreciated. Thanks. joe From glynw@cix.compulink.co.uk Sun Jun 11 22:45:27 PDT 1995 Article: 7100 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7100 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!btnet!news.compulink.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: glynw@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Glyn Williams") Subject: Re: More benchmark results Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange References: Distribution: world Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 17:17:42 GMT X-News-Software: Ameol32 Lines: 6 It is a scene, called Blade on the Lightwave 4 CD. (At least it is on the Intel Version) The "Textures" scene which has also been used as a benchmark is not on the Intel CD. Glyn Williams From wturber@primenet.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:43 PDT 1995 Article: 7101 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7101 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip168.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter J. Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Something is *very* wrong with PC Lightwave. Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:20:09 LOCAL Organization: Primenet Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <3qgvej$edo@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip168.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article videoman@netcom.com writes: >From: videoman@netcom.com >Subject: Re: Something is *very* wrong with PC Lightwave. >Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 12:46:22 GMT >axtell805@aol.com (Axtell805) writes: >>I agree!! And I'm also upset. My 100 mhz Pentium 64 ram 9 gigs, was >>bought so I could have my Lightwave dream system and it's crawling at 24 >>bit (in windows 3.1). Tech support says LW needs the stinkin low 8 bit >>setting 256 colors for real time interactivity and animation....but that >>can't be right. Let's drive this to a resolution. Let me know anything >>you find out and look for my other note. Ax >well, PC's are a pick your part deal... what sort of graphics card are >you useing, this is going to be the key to your redraw speed. >also, hopefully your motherboard is based on the new Triton chipset, the >memory and speed across the PCI bus is much improved. With such a nice hardware setup, why are you running Windows 3.1 and not NT? _________________________________________________________________ Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Phoenix, AZ |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber ...........................|ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber From bobl@graphics.rent.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:15 PDT 1995 Article: 7102 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7102 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!digex.net!usenet From: Bob Lindabury Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: NT slower than 3legd dog Explained at last! Date: 11 Jun 1995 19:03:16 GMT Organization: Raven Enterprises Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3rfelk$ki4@cnj.digex.net> References: <3qtvk5$j3b@cdn_mail.telecom.com.au> <3r786t$45k@warp.cris.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bobsbox.rent.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) wrote: >: AHA! I'm too fat! That's why it's running slow on my system. ;) > >It also depends on the size of your monitor. The bigger your monitor, the >larger a space LightWave has to fill and the longer your render times. >Get a small 5 or 9 inch monitor to get the faster rendering times. > >JG You forgot to mention also that the cable from your PC to the Monitor has a large effect on the rendering times. If you use a very small monitor (preferably a 1.5" diagonal B/W -color is a real time hog) and a very short cable of about 6"-8" your system will give you the fastest rendering times possible. Make sure you have gold pins on that cable. From louiev@rowan.liii.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:57 PDT 1995 Article: 7103 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.sys.amiga.misc:86936 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7103 alt.religion.amiga:738 comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:123669 comp.sys.amiga.multimedia:6183 Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,alt.religion.amiga,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.multimedia Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pine.liii.com!rowan.liii.com!louiev From: louie Subject: Amiga developer www links Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: Sender: news@liii.com (News Administrator) Nntp-Posting-Host: rowan.liii.com Organization: Long Island Information, Inc. (516-248-5381) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 20:19:51 GMT Lines: 27 Dear fellow Amiga developers, If you are a smaller sized Amiga developer and have a presence on the WWW, and would like to establish links to other Amiga developers, we invite you to stop by our website and contact us about a mutual link between our sites. We feel the increased traffic and online recognition can only be beneficial to all of us. Please stop by our website and check us out. Hope to hear from you soon. http://www.liii.com/~louiev/focusgbr.html Thanks, Louie Volpe Mark Tiramani FOCUS GbR **************************************************************************** __ _____ _____ __ _____ _____ | | | | | |__| ___| | | FOCUS GbR too - graphicRECALL | |__| | | | | | ___|\ / grecall@liii.com |_____|_____|_____|__|_____| \_/ http://www.liii.com/~louiev/focusgbr.html *The Multimedia Manager For The Multimedia Machine* **************************************************************************** From rcs02839@cs.fit.edu Sun Jun 11 22:45:58 PDT 1995 Article: 7104 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7104 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!eng.ufl.edu!usenet.ufl.edu!zeno.fit.edu!news From: Roy Everts Subject: info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: To: ursamino@infi.net Sender: news@zeno.fit.edu (USENET NEWS SYSTEM) Nntp-Posting-Host: tuck.cs.fit.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Florida Institute of Technology Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 21:02:40 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Lines: 15 Hi Joe, I am sending this message in connection with your mail dated 21 May 1995, concerning "I want to buy lightwave. HELP PLEASE!". I am also interested in LW, but know very little about it. I do have 3D- Studio, however... If you don't mind responding, what were your findings ?? I am looking forward to your response. Sincerely, Roy Everts (rcs02839@zach.fit.edu OR rcs02839@tuck.cs.fit.edu) From sean@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE Sun Jun 11 22:45:53 PDT 1995 Article: 7105 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7105 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!info.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!torn!news.unb.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!mirror.det.mun.ca!sean From: sean@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Sean Huxter) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Casper Date: 11 Jun 1995 13:21:29 GMT Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3reqkp$d62@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> References: <3qno2j$lk7@horn.wyoming.com> <3qo97e$k38@news.globalone.net> <3r5bof$175@news.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mirror.det.mun.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] David Ingebretsen (dingebre@xmission.xmission.com) wrote: : davewarner@globalone.net wrote: : : Patrick Lawson (lawson14@odi.cwc.whecn.edu) wrote: : : : I was wondering if someone that had ever seen the movie casper would : : : know how they made there ghouts surface tranparnt on there back and soild on : : : their front and it's a nice look. : Oh, one other thing, you will need to give them a non unity index of : refraction and turn on ray-tracing for refractions at least. You could : see that light was being refracted through them as they moved. : -- : David : David M. Ingebretsen *** Binary Illusions / 3D Physics *** : dingebre@xmission.xmission.com *** Animation and more *** From sean@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE Sun Jun 11 22:45:54 PDT 1995 Article: 7106 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7106 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!info.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!torn!news.unb.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!mirror.det.mun.ca!sean From: sean@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Sean Huxter) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Casper Date: 11 Jun 1995 13:31:11 GMT Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Lines: 1 Message-ID: <3rer70$d62@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: mirror.det.mun.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] From davidh1734@aol.com Sun Jun 11 22:45:16 PDT 1995 Article: 7107 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7107 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: davidh1734@aol.com (DavidH1734) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: NT slower than 3legd dog Explained at las Date: 11 Jun 1995 19:53:51 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 24 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3rfvmf$ctr@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3rfelk$ki4@cnj.digex.net> Reply-To: davidh1734@aol.com (DavidH1734) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) wrote: >: AHA! I'm too fat! That's why it's running slow on my system. ;) > >It also depends on the size of your monitor. The bigger your monitor, the >larger a space LightWave has to fill and the longer your render times. >Get a small 5 or 9 inch monitor to get the faster rendering times. > >JG :You forgot to mention also that the cable from your PC to the Monitor has :a large effect on the rendering times. If you use a very small monitor :(preferably a 1.5" diagonal B/W -color is a real time hog) and a very :short cable of about 6"-8" your system will give you the fastest rendering :times possible. Make sure you have gold pins on that cable. I just skip the monitor and cable entirely for blazing render times. But I do have to be exceptionally carefull modeling. Dave :) From olsonjj@enet.net Sun Jun 11 22:44:57 PDT 1995 Article: 7108 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7108 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:254 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!maple.enet.net!slip25.enet.net!user From: olsonjj@enet.net (JohnO) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW student pricing? Date: 12 Jun 1995 00:47:15 GMT Organization: noslo design Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3r1mob$p99@carrera. <3r4dje$m4n@carrera.inc.net> <3rbkmk$dc4@news.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip25.enet.net I think companies such as Newtek should look at the bigger picture. These students after they graduate will go to jobs with companies that look to the students for new ideas. The student who has been using 3D studio or AutoDesk products throughout school will surely recommend those products and there is no training involved. From the hiring companies standpoint, they save money on training and they can see what type of work they can expect from the students portfolio. Newtek could be losing big by not offering these student prices in the long run. Not only are they losing the continuing upgrades from the students, but possibly large licenses from the companies whether they may be big or small. JohnO. From syndesis@beta.inc.net Sun Jun 11 22:45:34 PDT 1995 Article: 7109 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7109 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!steve From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Conversion Utility to 3DS or DXF format? Date: 12 Jun 1995 00:56:25 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3rg3bp$i58@carrera.inc.net> References: <3r7o30$jt4@crl10.crl.com> <3r89vc$sfr@carrera.inc.net> <3rdokp$aop@crl.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.95.160.215 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article <3rdokp$aop@crl.crl.com>, hancom@crl.com (Han Lee) says: > >>My company makes InterChange, a program that does just that. >>For more info, call (414) 674-5200. > >But your company's product is just SO expensive. I just went broke after >buying that $900 LightWave and I have to spend another $500 to buy >conversion utility? Actually, all I really need is 3DS ascii format. Is >there any program that does just that? How about your company releasing >a "lite" version of InterChage for $50 or so that just supports one or >two file formats. I'll buy that right away. The $495 price is retail, which means the street price will be less, seeing that so few dealers ever pay much attention to "retail" price. If I had a way to make a "light" InterChange, I'd do it. But in reality, every customer who wants a "light" version only wants that version to convert between the two formats they are most interested in, and everyone else can go swing. :-) And don't get me started about $50 programs... From syndesis@beta.inc.net Sun Jun 11 22:45:18 PDT 1995 Article: 7110 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7110 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!steve From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: NT slower than 3legd dog Explained at last! Date: 12 Jun 1995 01:00:15 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3rg3iv$i58@carrera.inc.net> References: <3qtvk5$j3b@cdn_mail.telecom.com.au> <3r786t$45k@warp.cris.com> <3rfelk$ki4@cnj.digex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.95.160.215 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article <3rfelk$ki4@cnj.digex.net>, Bob Lindabury says: > >You forgot to mention also that the cable from your PC to the Monitor has >a large effect on the rendering times. If you use a very small monitor >(preferably a 1.5" diagonal B/W -color is a real time hog) and a very >short cable of about 6"-8" your system will give you the fastest rendering >times possible. Make sure you have gold pins on that cable. I have a LIMITED supply of some very special MONSTER computer monitor video cables here. Like those nifty extra-thick audio cables, these MONSTER computer cables have extra-thick copper and gold pins to help reduce electrical resistance. I'll let them go for $200 each. I paid $900 each when they were new, and haven't used them much, so they still have a lot of extra electron lubricant on them, which works wonders for fast redraw. From Jeric@cup.portal.com Sun Jun 11 22:44:59 PDT 1995 Article: 7111 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7111 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!svc.portal.com!portal.com!cup.portal.com!Jeric From: Jeric@cup.portal.com (J Eric Chard) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW student pricing? Date: 11 Jun 1995 19:00:07 -0700 Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 45 Sender: pccop@unix.portal.com Distribution: world Message-ID: <140301@cup.portal.com> References: <3r1mob$p99@carrera. <3r4dje$m4n@carrera.inc.net> <3rbkmk$dc4@news.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news1.unix.portal.com Douglas Bullard writes: >wturber@primenet.com (Walter J. Turberville (III)) wrote: >>Maybe it is a good idea. Maybe it isn't. Nobody has provided any good >>objective data to back either position. > >I know for a fact that a _lot_ of students would love LightWave at a cheaper p r >ice >at my university, they all buy 3DS for $200 and then bitch because my output >looks so much better... > >Since LW is dongle protected, NewTek really has nothing to lose by offering >a discount to students, since they wouldn't buy it anyway. And then they >get money on upgrades (where the real money is in the life of a program, >I think). Silly silly boy-- I got a student to buy me Premiere and FPD, what's to keep others from being just as dishonest? > >Look at Apple - they did this type of program, and Macs are EVERYWHERE on >campus. NewTek isn't selling computers, they are selling s/w. > >Douglas Bullard > BTW, anybody else as low as me-- if you buy Premiere, DON'T buy Photoshop. Premiere comes with a coupon for Photoshop for $199 (the coupon says more, but the offer changed for the better). Whew, glad the bookstore was out of stock that day, saved me a hundred simoleans. **************************************************************************** * (OOOOO) Jeric@cup.portal.com | Synergy Graphix & Animation * * (OOOOOOO) Welcome to Seattle! | Film and Video Productions * * /////// Have a latte'! |Technical Subjects Our Specialty! * * /////// Or else! | * * **************************************************************************** From kmorton@panix.com Sun Jun 11 22:46:23 PDT 1995 Article: 7112 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7112 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: kmorton@panix.com (Ken Morton) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: NT slower than 3legd dog Explained at last! Date: 12 Jun 1995 00:17:43 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3rgf57$ag5@panix2.panix.com> References: <3qtvk5$j3b@cdn_mail.telecom.com.au> <3r786t$45k@warp.cris.com> <3rfelk$ki4@cnj.digex.net> <3rg3iv$i58@carrera.inc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com In <3rg3iv$i58@carrera.inc.net> syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) writes: >In article <3rfelk$ki4@cnj.digex.net>, Bob Lindabury says: >> >>times possible. Make sure you have gold pins on that cable. >I paid $900 each when they were new, and haven't used >them much, so they still have a lot of extra electron >lubricant on them, which works wonders for fast redraw. Don't forget to run a green marker around the edges of your monitor, if you do this you don't have to worry about non-planar polygons! -- Ken F. Morton I had sex with god last night. It was a kmorton@panix.com bit of a let-down. http://www.panix.com/~kmorton "Mew!" - Glowing Kitty From dan.bloomfield@mercopus.com Sun Jun 11 22:46:27 PDT 1995 Article: 7113 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7113 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!mercopus!dan.bloomfield From: dan.bloomfield@mercopus.com (Dan Bloomfield) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW Upper Polygon Limit? Message-ID: <6792.760.uupcb@mercopus.com> Date: 12 Jun 95 00:00:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Mercury Opus BBS - St. Petersburg, FL - 813-321-0734 Reply-To: dan.bloomfield@mercopus.com (Dan Bloomfield) References: Lines: 18 -> 1000 objects per scene -> 1000 lights per scene -> 1000 images per scene -> 32,000 bones per object (personally, I've only had a need for about -> 28,000 bones - the pop-up only takes 5 hours to go thru em!) -> 300 pounds per animator -> -> JG I was really hoping 4.0 would do away with the 1,000 object limit because particle animations can easily use more than a 1,000 single point polygon objects. BTW if you have a more than 300 pound animator just do a Boolean subtract operation on them. :) ---- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mercury Opus BBS - St. Petersburg, Florida, USA - +1-813-321-0734 | | 2000 Conferences - 100,000 Files - One of America's Top 100 BBS Systems | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mcoats@qnet.com Tue Jun 13 22:16:36 PDT 1995 Article: 7114 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7114 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!qnet.com!cello!mcoats From: Manuel Coats Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Specs On CD Cover Res Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 03:29:34 -0700 Organization: Quantum Networking Solutions, Inc. - (805) 538-2030 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <3r2ml7$jtq@flood.xnet.com> <3r32dt$7rk_001@dffl6-19.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cello.qnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: mcoats@cello In-Reply-To: <3r32dt$7rk_001@dffl6-19.gate.net> > Not sure I know what you mean by custom pic size but I'm also interested > in this question. I've also been creating some CD > artwork (with Truespace) but I've been cropping it to 4.75" X 4.625" > (not alot different but wonder if the 4.75" above is the standard). 4.625" > seems to be the actual if you measure. Also - I've been scaling to 200DPI - > is this to small?? The printed image (on my Epson stylus) seems great > for a demo proof but the DUP house with it's high quality printers may > say 200 DPI isn't enough res. I don't have a syquest - Wonder if DUP house's > can import the .tif, scale it up to 300 dpi, and unsharp mask it to clean > up possible blur. Also, does anyone know if most dup houses use the new > IOMEGA zip drives at all - I think I could afford this as a portable media. > > Thx, Rod No,no, no... I just went through something similar. I needed to get three different pics to the print house for the VHS sleeves for LIGHTSPEED and each picture was 14+ megs. At the time I had no removable media except standard floppies, and I wasn't about to break the pics down to 30 or disks. What we ended up doing is J-pegging them at 96% quality which knocked the size down to 1.4 megs which we then could put on a total of three disks (three pics). The quality was great... in fact more than the printer needed. Manny LIGHTSPEED From mcoats@qnet.com Tue Jun 13 22:16:42 PDT 1995 Article: 7115 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7115 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!qnet.com!cello!mcoats From: Manuel Coats Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Space? Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 03:33:55 -0700 Organization: Quantum Networking Solutions, Inc. - (805) 538-2030 Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <3qsult$15r1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <6651.760.uupcb@mercopus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cello.qnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: mcoats@cello In-Reply-To: <6651.760.uupcb@mercopus.com> On 6 Jun 1995, Dan Bloomfield wrote: > -> 2. How are the spaceships gonna maneuver? My favorite thing about > -> B5's ships is that they can do all them fancy full 3D moves in space. > -> Quite realistic. B I did complain on how ridiculously SLOW ships in > -> B5 move. Their is no air resistance to limit space fighter > -> accelleration so in a dead run, dogfights wou involve fighters and > -> other ships attacking with FAST closing speeds of many hundreds, or > -> thousands even tens of thousands of meters per second. > -> 3. No nebulas? It was sort of alright with B5 against that big blue > -> nebula. B everywhere else ships travel in B5, their is big bright > -> colorfull nebulas in th background. I'm an amateur astronomer, and I > -> know that their are NO bright nebulas anywhere near Earth, and bright > -> Orion like clouds are very rare in the galaxy and you would usually > -> not have one so close to an inhabbited solar syste especially since > -> those nebulas have hard radiation from supernovas coming off them > -> once in awhile. > -> > -> 4.Weapons? The BIG mistake on B5 is that nobody uses missiles or > -> directed energy weapons. Fighters only carry PPG's which are > -> dreadfully slow unguided projectile weapons that limit dogfighting to > -> ranges of less than a mile or so! Real space battles would even with > -> EM countermeasures would involve nuclear tip missiles and > -> instantanious energy weapons that can shoot down targets many miles > -> distant. For once I would like to see tactical nuclear weapons > -> employed in battles against capitol ships. > I agree with all your points about unrealistic space battles, but the > aim of a TV show is not to give physics lessons but to entertain. > Completely realistic space battles would be ones in which you never saw > the opposing ship except on a sensor screen, not exactly what the public > has come to expect from Star Wars, ST etc. Not to mention that there would be no sound from explosions or lasers. And why do ships have to look aerodynamic or have wings in space? The reason is exactly what you mentioned... entertainment. Manny From Thealy@nesbbx.rain.COM Tue Jun 13 22:17:06 PDT 1995 Article: 7116 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7116 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!simtel!news1.oakland.edu!synthcom.com!agora!nesbbx!Thealy Subject: Re: Glow Effect (Where is it?) References: <3r2rfk$rhm@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave X-NewsSoftware: BBX-UMB 1.06l (February 20, 1995) From: Thealy@nesbbx.rain.COM (Thomas Healy) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 95 18:24:42 PST Organization: NESBBX Bulletin Board System Lines: 24 In <3r2rfk$rhm@deep.rsoft.bc.ca>, mark_prenter@mindlink.bc.ca (Mark Prenter) writes: > Hi, Can anybody tell me where the glow effect is for LW 4? In the > Pre-Release Notes it goes into detail explaining how GLOW works, but I > can't find any of the buttons in Layout. Is this a feature that > didn't quite make it to the Pre-Release or am I simply going nuts? > > Mark > Look in the Lens Flares options Thomas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Address: ** LIVE CONCERTS FOR TRADE ** Thealy@nesbbx.rain.com REM, U2, Pearl Jam, Send E-mail if interested "My moral standing is lying down." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From DwightG@nesbbx.rain.COM Tue Jun 13 22:17:25 PDT 1995 Article: 7117 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7117 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:261 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!simtel!news1.oakland.edu!synthcom.com!agora!nesbbx!DwightG Subject: Re: LW student pricing? Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave X-Newsreader: BBX-UMB-Legacy From: DwightG@nesbbx.rain.COM (Dwight Gruber) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 95 23:14:45 PST Organization: NESBBX Bulletin Board System Lines: 38 In , dkennett@malibu.sfu.ca (Daniel Kennett) writes: > syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) writes: > > >In article <3qvp7m$eh2@darwin.nbnet.nb.ca>, Craig Simmons says: > >> > > >I think educational pricing is foolish. I don't think it encourages > >loyalty to a certain product, I think it encourages people (both teachers > >and students) to look for the biggest freebies they can find, and that > >search becomes all-engrossing. It teaches the price of everything, > >and the value of nothing. No and yes. Yes, to the price/value issue--this entire thread is testimony to that. And no, to the product loyalty comment. Where do you think all these fresh, young Mac users come from, anyway? From all those Macs that Apple dropped on elementaty schools, high schools, and colleges. --DwightG > Well as a student who can't afford to spend $3000 (cdn) for 3D studio, > I'm for educational pricing. I find educational pricing an excellent idea, > it allows students the ability to buy software the couldn't normally > afford. If I want to learn 3d Studio, I have several choices: pirate > (ha! No way), attend the Vancouver school of animation (only > $10,000...), of buy it at the student price of $851 (cdn) and learn it in > my spare time. Obviously any sane student would go for the latter. > Under your system I'd have to pirate, blow $10K or shell out $3000 just > to learn 3dstudio- none of which I would do.... > > -Daniel- -- DwightG@nesbbx.rain.COM From ursamino@infi.net Tue Jun 13 22:16:43 PDT 1995 Article: 7118 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7118 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csulb.edu!info.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!usenet From: ursamino@infi.net (Sumner Bell) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Space? Date: 12 Jun 1995 10:55:28 GMT Organization: DLDS Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3rh6f0$9ic@lucy.infi.net> References: <3qsult$15r1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <6651.760.uupcb@mercopus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-gunslinger.infi.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6 >Not to mention that there would be no sound from explosions or lasers. >And why do ships have to look aerodynamic or have wings in space? The >reason is exactly what you mentioned... entertainment. > >Manny > Actually, having wings on a spaceship could be benificial, both for landing in an atmosphere, and for rolling the spaceship. The longer distance from the center of the ship, would allow the thrusters (or whatever) to maneuver more precicely. Actually, instead of having a dog-fight, why don't they put weapons on all of the sides of the fighter? Then just stay still and shoot. :-> From joloughlin@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Tue Jun 13 22:17:13 PDT 1995 Article: 7119 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7119 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu!miavx1!joloughlin Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Looking for a good psychadelic kaliedoscope prog Message-ID: <1995Jun12.000317.46267@miavx1> From: joloughlin@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Date: 12 Jun 95 00:03:17 -0500 References: <3r7qjg$ad0@freud.inst.com> Organization: Miami University Lines: 25 In article <3r7qjg$ad0@freud.inst.com>, Your Real Name writes: > I'm looking for a really good animated kaliedoscope program. > I saw one yesterday for a freakin 8mhz Amiga from 1986 > called Polyscope. It was so good I nearly creamed in my > pants. I know if there is somthing _that_ good for an > Amiga from, 1986 that there has to be somthing that would > blow my socks off with 16 million colors for the PC. > I've already found one program called Acidwarp wich is good > with the colors but not with the animation. Amiga '86 = PC '95 -- / \ \ . ....... / /\MiG \ . . /// ................../ \___/_ ............................... . /// / ...a sTATE oF mIND / \4000/040.cd32.sk8'n.paint'n..... .\\\/// joloughlin@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu_/\Record'n.climb'n.trIp'n.slakn.. ..\XX/ /...................../ \c0de'n.cook'n.wank'n.gitar'n... .....\/oi[) 5 gIGZ AMiGA mac ibm 513.855.3831....5.Nodez.ring.down......... .....\..................../ / _____ \............................. . \ \ / \__//\ \ .. From dma@mcs.com Tue Jun 13 22:17:07 PDT 1995 Article: 7120 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7120 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!ddsw1!usenet From: Dan Ablan Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Glow Effect (Where is it?) Date: 12 Jun 1995 14:01:25 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3rhhbl$kh6@News1.mcs.com> References: <3r2rfk$rhm@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dma.pr.mcs.net Thealy@nesbbx.rain.COM (Thomas Healy) wrote: > > In <3r2rfk$rhm@deep.rsoft.bc.ca>, mark_prenter@mindlink.bc.ca (Mark Prenter) > writes: > > Hi, Can anybody tell me where the glow effect is for LW 4? In the > > Pre-Release Notes it goes into detail explaining how GLOW works, but I > > can't find any of the buttons in Layout. Is this a feature that > > didn't quite make it to the Pre-Release or am I simply going nuts? > > > > Mark > > Look in the Lens Flares options > > Thomas It's under the EFFECTS panel, and not working yet. Dan From craven@rlyeh.muc.de Tue Jun 13 22:16:54 PDT 1995 Article: 7121 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7121 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!simtel!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!zib-berlin.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!rlyeh.muc.de!craven Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave X-NewsReader: IntuiNews 1.2 (15.5.94) References: <3r744s$ob@horus.infinet.com> From: "Dirk Taggesell" Date: Sun, 11 Jun 95 23:22:33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Subject: Re: Attention Lightwave Resellers! Message-ID: <31148388@rlyeh.muc.de> Organization: R'lyeh - Home of Cthulhu Lines: 59 djr@infinet.com schrieb in 3r744s$ob@horus.infinet.com unter dem Subject Attention Lightwave Resellers! folgendes: > More and more I get service/support questions for a program I didnt sell. > Lightwave is a comprehensive package that needs a good support dealer > behind it. Show the customer how to use it etc. I guess if you are going to sell > it for $30 over cost, tell the user in advance you'll give them no support. [...more arguments deleted...] This problem occurs all the time. I know this effect from my own experience: Example: We make demonstrations of various things in our shop (like V-LAB motion, Maxon Cinema, Genlocks, Digitizers and so on), and I recognize that the customers are interested. A few of them call me the next day, and start beggin for lower prizes, "because they read in the Mag, that a mail-order-house offers the same thing for a few bucks less". After explaining them that we gave a demontration, we will install it, will give an introduction and support, most of the possible clients complain and says "OK, it's true. I will call later to make the order". At this moment I know, that's another piece of Soft- or Hardware which we cannot sell. All the above is the normal way in the business for the private users, who use their equipment just for fun. Anyone who is intended to give Real Support which can give You enough Money to live from, should forget this part of the market. Especially Lightwave is a product which is intended for professional use. Professionals KNOW what support and sevice is worth and therefore they are mostly willing to pay for it. The average home user looks where he can buy at lowest price. After them he recognizes, that he cannot figure out how to deal with it. Then he calls You and demands that You help him. The other client has purchased anything from You, from which You earned, lets say, 30$ (something like dPaint, or so). But he beleaves, that You owe him something because "Two Years ago I bought it from You". I work now in our Amiga Store and Publishing House for at about one and a half year and I can say that the low ended sales business makes no fun. I have really no motivation to do this longer. Therefore we try to go into the professional market of rendering and animation. At least at this time that LW PC and MIPS is available. I learnt that the times are over where I can give good support and service at low prizes. And I learnt that the home user is not willing to accept this fact. Sad but true... mfg Craven _ ____ Dirk Taggesell, Muenchen _ // / \ Z-Netz: | not connected \\ // ( OS/2 ) UseNet: | craven@rlyeh.muc.de \X/ \____/ If you really know how the hardware works, you'll write better software, and if you really know how the software works, you'll design better hardware. Dave Haynie in comp.sys.amiga.multimedia (Msg-ID: 1995May3.172432.29256@scala.scala.com) From davewarner@globalone.net Tue Jun 13 22:17:31 PDT 1995 Article: 7122 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:264 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7122 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.globalone.net!shell.globalone.net!davewarner From: davewarner@globalone.net () Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Chroma wall 4 digital comp? Date: 12 Jun 1995 15:01:46 GMT Organization: Global One, Inc. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3rhksq$bm2@news.globalone.net> References: <3rd19u$2va@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.globalone.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Roger L Rosati (rosati@ionet.net) wrote: : Can anyone give me any advice or tell me where I might find more info? I can pass along what was told to me a few weeks ago when I asked about setting up a new studio centered around a blue screen. It was suggested that I buy a book called The American Cinematographer's Handbook, seventh edition...I ordered a copy and am still waiting to receive it...it's about $50 and is over 660 pages. American Cinematographer is a good magazine to check out too, and you may be able to order the book from here. : Questions I have include: What color paint would be best? I picked up a gallon of #39 Chroma Key Blue paint made by Muralo for $33 with shipping from Epstein & Sons (212-265-3960). You'll get good results if you paint a piece of plywood or luaun and light it evenly. Be sure to light the blue screen and your actor seperately. : What lights would work? I'm still trying to figure that out...flourescent and incandescent bulbs are out...a good quality professional light kit will probably work best, just be sure to light the bluescreen evenly. : (cheaper=better) Would cloth be better? Any help would be greatly : appreciated. Cheaper does NOT equal better, unless you have little or no budget whatsoever. You most likely will not get good results if you use cloth, but if you have really good lighting you may be able to get away with it. I used to produce a weekly Public Access TV show out of my basement that used a big dark blue sheet and LOTS of lighting for background...it gave acceptable results (for Public Access) but was a real bitch to work with sometimes! Hope this helps.... -- -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics From davewarner@globalone.net Tue Jun 13 22:16:50 PDT 1995 Article: 7123 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:265 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7123 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.globalone.net!shell.globalone.net!davewarner From: davewarner@globalone.net () Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Space! Date: 12 Jun 1995 15:13:53 GMT Organization: Global One, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3rhljh$bm2@news.globalone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.globalone.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I've seen the first ads for "Space: Above And Beyond" and it looks really awesome!! According to the voice-over in the 5-10 second commercial, it's produced by the same people who do X-Files (which means it's not just gonna be cool special effects) and it will be premiering this Fall. Lee, the special effects look incredible...very different from B5 and very much like Star Wars, but I have a question for you: What are you using as a source for explosions?? They're obviously(?) digitized and composited into the scene, but they're very reminiscent of the stuff seen in the actual Star Wars movies...are you using the same technique used on SW? (Filming explosion from below with high-speed camera) I gotta tell you that I've jog/shuttled through this commercial at least a dozen times already, and I really like what I see! (Very Dark) Can't wait for it to begin!! -- -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics From davewarner@globalone.net Tue Jun 13 22:17:33 PDT 1995 Article: 7124 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7124 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.globalone.net!shell.globalone.net!davewarner From: davewarner@globalone.net () Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: DPS PERCEPTION when? Date: 12 Jun 1995 15:18:06 GMT Organization: Global One, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3rhlre$bm2@news.globalone.net> References: <3rbe0d$fpu@pipe2.nyc.pipeline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.globalone.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Michael Justin Austin (justin@nyc.pipeline.com) wrote: : anyone know when dps is supposed to release the PCI : perception board? I know someone who is "beta-testing" the Perception unit already...no word on how well it works, but I'm sure it's gonna kick ass. -- -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics From davewarner@globalone.net Tue Jun 13 22:19:00 PDT 1995 Article: 7125 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7125 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.globalone.net!shell.globalone.net!davewarner From: davewarner@globalone.net () Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: NT slower than 3legd dog Explained at last! Date: 12 Jun 1995 15:32:10 GMT Organization: Global One, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3rhmlq$bm2@news.globalone.net> References: <3qtvk5$j3b@cdn_mail.telecom.com.au> <3r786t$45k@warp.cris.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.globalone.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] John Gross (jgross@netcom.com) wrote: : It also depends on the size of your monitor. The bigger your monitor, the : larger a space LightWave has to fill and the longer your render times. : Get a small 5 or 9 inch monitor to get the faster rendering times. Hooooo boy! I think this would be a good time to point out to the intellectually challenged that THESE GUYS ARE JOKING! (I hope) Otherwise we'll be seeing new benchmark lists with different monitor sizes included as a rendering factor! =) -- -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics From davewarner@globalone.net Tue Jun 13 22:17:36 PDT 1995 Article: 7126 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7126 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.globalone.net!shell.globalone.net!davewarner From: davewarner@globalone.net () Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Conversion Utility to 3DS or DXF format? Date: 12 Jun 1995 15:36:42 GMT Organization: Global One, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3rhmua$bm2@news.globalone.net> References: <3r7o30$jt4@crl10.crl.com> <3r89vc$sfr@carrera.inc.net> <3rdokp$aop@crl.crl.com> <3rg3bp$i58@carrera.inc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.globalone.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] John Foust (syndesis@beta.inc.net) wrote: : And don't get me started about $50 programs... Oh come on, John...you know damn well you could sell Interchange for $20 and still be able to keep your fleet of helicopters in the air! You're just greedy! ...Ouch! Stop hitting me!! -- -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics From davewarner@globalone.net Tue Jun 13 22:17:38 PDT 1995 Article: 7127 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:266 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7127 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.globalone.net!shell.globalone.net!davewarner From: davewarner@globalone.net () Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW Dongle Date: 12 Jun 1995 15:59:07 GMT Organization: Global One, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3rho8b$bm2@news.globalone.net> References: <3rf7s9$93s@lucy.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.globalone.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sumner Bell (ursamino@infi.net) wrote: : My question is, if I...take the dongle out after I load the program, will : it work? NOT a good idea! You should never plug/unplug any computer hardware while the computer is powered up! : Does anyone know of another way to get around this. I don't know if that : would be considered piracy or not. There would be more than one copy : running at a time, but The final release of LightWave (due out in a few weeks?) will supposedly have distributive rendering as a feature, which means that you'll be able to RENDER images on more than one machine at the same time, but you'll still only be able to model objects and setup scenes on one machine at a time. By the time you (your school) purchase LightWave, it should be in final release, or if not, you'll receive the update for free, but it sounds like you'll have the ability to render on more than one machine when it comes time to actually start rendering...you've probably got a lot of work to do before you get to that point. =) Hope this helps.... -- -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics From radical@radical.ca Tue Jun 13 22:17:52 PDT 1995 Article: 7128 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7128 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!unixg.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!berlin.infomatch.com!usenet From: radical@radical.ca (Team Radical) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: motion capture data appl. Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 08:56:31 PST Organization: Radical Entertainment Ltd. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3rho50$fle@berlin.infomatch.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.60.99.221 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.9 Has someone out there used lightwave in this way, what was your process. Does lightwave accept a certain file ext. and/or is it that the development kit needs to be applied in this case? Does a utility exist for what I would like to achieve. From bhood@netcom.com Tue Jun 13 22:17:40 PDT 1995 Article: 7129 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:267 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7129 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!bhood From: bhood@netcom.com (robert hood) Subject: Re: LW Dongle Message-ID: Followup-To: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3rf7s9$93s@lucy.infi.net> <3rho8b$bm2@news.globalone.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 16:43:05 GMT Lines: 45 Sender: bhood@netcom.netcom.com davewarner@globalone.net wrote: : Sumner Bell (ursamino@infi.net) wrote: : : My question is, if I...take the dongle out after I load the program, will : : it work? : NOT a good idea! You should never plug/unplug any computer hardware while : the computer is powered up! As a general rule, yes, this is correct. However, I often find that I've started Layout or Modeller without having plugged in my dongle, so I simply plug it in -- with the computer running -- and continue. Two things to keep in mind: 1. A dongle has no electrical power of its own. Therefore, by itself, it cannot damage your computer, even if your computer is on, however.. 2. YOU can damage your computer by not having properly grounded yourself before attempting to insert your dongle into the parallel port of an active computer. Ensure that you have been/are grounded before attempting this maneuver. At the risk of enciting you to piracy, I'd try your approach of plugging in the dongle to each machine, starting the software, and then moving to the next machine. It may work, it may not. If the software polls the port occasionally for the dongle presence, you are out of luck. However, I see the dongle as an attempt to thwart copying of LightWave, which I whole-heartedly agree with, not a prevention of the same person rendering multiple frames across multiple machines (I don't work for NewTek -- they might have a problem with it). BTW, I accept no responsibility for any damage you might incur from following my advice. Do so at your own risk. These things work just fine for me. Your milage may vary. Regards, ||| Bob ^(===)^ -------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------------------- Bob Hood | The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the Home: 303-980-8392 | unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world Work: 303-689-[2409]| to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the --------------------| unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw bhood@netcom.com |------------------------------------------------------- rbh@evolving.com | ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/bh/bhood/www/bhood.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From wturber@primenet.com Tue Jun 13 22:17:27 PDT 1995 Article: 7130 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7130 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip157.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter J. Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: More benchmark results Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:50:41 LOCAL Organization: Primenet Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip157.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article ar409@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Saiyad Abdul) writes: >From: ar409@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Saiyad Abdul) >Subject: Re: More benchmark results >Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 15:24:54 GMT >"Glyn Williams" (glynw@cix.compulink.co.uk) writes: >> More Benchmark results. >> >> Here is the test, which I guess is a pretty typical >> TV quality image. >> >> Scene: Blade (the Tyrell building ) >> Frame 54 (The Spinner is in view) >> Camera: >> Trace Shadows ON >> Medium Resolution (Video) >> Limited Res 752x320 From 752x480 >> Pixel Ratio D2 Aspect 1.0 >> Adaptive Sampling (8) - Soft Filter on >> * Field Rendering OFF <--different from default. >> Motion Blur On >> (This frame needs a 9M segment to finish in 1 pass) >> >> Machine OS RAM Seg Size Time >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> DX266 Windows 95 20M 9M 50m >> DX266 Win4Wg 8M ? 85m >> P90 NT3.51 16M 9M 20m >> P90 NT3.51 16M 3M 19m >> P90 Win4Wg 32M ? 19m >> P90 NTs3.5 32M ? 19m >> >> Could we have some P120s,Amigas,Mips and Alphas to compare please. Please >> add your posting onto this list. >> >> Glyn Williams - Particle Systems Ltd. >Wouldn't an incredibly relevant info also include smartdrv settings as >well as size and cofiguration of virtual memory.....I think to be be even >a little scientific and useful you have to include at least that info. >Sai I'm not so sure. Smartdrv will "give up" most memory allocated to it if Windows "needs" it. I think the key is to ensure that the scene all fits into semiconductor RAM and that rendering does not require virtual memory. If it does, the benchmark becomes useless unless you simply want to test strategies for useing virtual memory. _________________________________________________________________ Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Phoenix, AZ |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber ...........................|ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber From Brady@desktopimages.com Tue Jun 13 22:18:00 PDT 1995 Article: 7131 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7131 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:269 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: Brady Caverly Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave, Subject: Re: Study with Ron Thornton! What do you want to learn? Date: 12 Jun 1995 17:56:53 GMT Organization: Desktop Images Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3rhv55$86a@news.primenet.com> References: <3qvdr1$skk@news.primenet.com> <9506090040.AA000cy@imc-a1.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip011.lax.primenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) Iain Colledge wrote: >Ok, the thing that I would really like to know is........... > >How the hell do they keep track of the thruster exhausts on >the Starfuries? I have do a ship with a similar engine layout >and setting up all the envelopes by hand after getting the >motion right is driving me nuts. From jalapeno@cruzio.com Tue Jun 13 22:17:55 PDT 1995 Article: 7132 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video:34668 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7132 comp.graphics.animation:20438 Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.animation Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.oz.net!news.sensemedia.net!news.scruz.net!cruzio!jalapeno From: jalapeno@cruzio.com Subject: animation/video output...PAR or capturecard? Reply-To: jalapeno@cruzio.com Organization: Cruzio Community Networking System, Santa Cruz, CA Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 16:58:13 GMT Message-ID: Keywords: animation/video output...PAR or capturecard? Sender: jalapeno@cruzio.com (Bryan Coleman) Lines: 14 I need to output my animation and video somehow and am looking for a solution that won't run me into the $2,000's. Currently I am waiting for Miro Vision DC 20 to come out in several months. It uses a PCI slot and outputs in NTSC or s-video...at full screen and full color..(I'm not sure what the resolution specs will be). It captures video also. PARs I know nothing about except that they use an ISA slot and that animation artists have been using them for a long time...I know I'd also need to buy a TBC to use with a PAR to capture video. If I get a used PAR and TBC...it will hopfully not be more than $1,300. Does anyone have any experience with both of these and can weigh the pros and cons of each...and compare them to each other? One other thing..the DC 20 will probably come bundled with Adobe Priemier 4.0. Any opinions or real life experiences will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. From 76171.3433@CompuServe.COM Tue Jun 13 22:17:57 PDT 1995 Article: 7133 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7133 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Keith Peacock <76171.3433@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Par for sale Date: 12 Jun 1995 17:15:18 GMT Organization: Lighthouse Animations Lines: 3 Message-ID: <3rhsn6$k1c$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> I have an Amiga Par for sale with the micropolois 1.7 gig drive $1600.00 e-mail me for more details Keith Peacock From Brady@desktopimages.com Tue Jun 13 22:18:05 PDT 1995 Article: 7134 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7134 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:271 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: Brady Caverly Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave, Subject: Re: Study with Ron Thornton! What do you want to learn? Date: 12 Jun 1995 18:09:52 GMT Organization: Desktop Images Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3rhvtg$8u4@news.primenet.com> References: <3qvdr1$skk@news.primenet.com> <9506090040.AA000cy@imc-a1.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip011.lax.primenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) Uh... let me try this again. Netscape toasted the response portion of my reply last time. Went something like this: Iain Colledge wrote: >Ok, the thing that I would really like to know is........... > >How the hell do they keep track of the thruster exhausts on >the Starfuries? I have do a ship with a similar engine layout >and setting up all the envelopes by hand after getting the >motion right is driving me nuts. I'm curious about that too. Our currnet Thornton title include Modeling and Surfacing the spacecraft. One thought is to add another title to the series on Animating the Spacecraft. In it we would cover your request as well as camera movement, frame composition and lighting techniques. Another possibility is a title specifically on sci-fi FX: Lasers, Projectiles, Warp FX, propulsion systems and explosion techniques, not covered in "Pyrotechniques." Not sure if there is enough interest for a title that specific. Thanks for your interest. BTW: Foundation Imaging also does a lot of work with animated robots and other mechanical creatures and they've developed some interesting techniques for moving them around. Anybody interested in that? -- Brady Caverly Instructional Videotapes for Desktop Images Desktop Video, Computer Animation, Windows and the Internet. **ORDER 1-800-377-1039** Or http://www.desktopimages.com/desktop/ *********MASTERING THE TOOLS OF TOMORROW********* From ehoffman@iac.net Tue Jun 13 22:17:59 PDT 1995 Article: 7135 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7135 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.intercon.com!news.iac.net!news.iac.net!not-for-mail From: ehoffman@iac.net (Ed Hoffmann) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: My beef with Newtek Date: 12 Jun 1995 13:44:30 -0400 Organization: Internet Access Cincinnati 513-887-8877 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3rhudu$lom@wabash.iac.net> References: <3ra7m9$pt1@news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wabash.iac.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Walter J. Turberville (III) (wturber@primenet.com) wrote: : In article <3ra7m9$pt1@news.primenet.com> yarrick@primenet.com (Eric Soulvie) writes: : >Am I only only one that has had this problem? What should I do? I'm : >afraid that I am going to have to bite the bullet. : > Yarrick : How 'bout seeing if you can sell the Toaster to someone who needs it. There : is a fair chance you can sell it for enough to by LW 4.0 outright. I don't : know if LW 3.5 SA is out there and available. If it is, I'm pretty sure the : upgrade has been extended to July. I'd check details on the upgrade B4 buying : though. Yes, that is what I did. Sold off the Toaster for a fair price, bought the LW 3.5 SA, and did the upgrade thing for $149. Actually, you should come out ahead (as long as you have a way to preview in true color, although NTSC out is always nice). -- ------------------------------------ my sig! ------------------------------ | I brew the beer I drink! # This sig has been cruelly | | Try the Ohio Valley Amiga Users Group # tested on furry little animals. | | home page --> http://www.ovaug.org # http://iac.net/~ehoffman | From justin.barrett@tenforward.com Tue Jun 13 22:17:29 PDT 1995 Article: 7136 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7136 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!tenforward!justin.barrett From: justin.barrett@tenforward.com (Justin Barrett) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: PCs - i`m sick of hea Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:26:00 GMT Message-ID: <9506121119212441@tenforward.com> Organization: Ten Forward BBS in Port Angeles, WA 360.452.7681 Distribution: world References: <3qv3gf$d8g@News1.mcs.com> <3r4a9s$r97@metr Lines: 22 WJ> >> No way.. Mac 128K. WJ> >Nooo way: None of you pussies ever threw switches on an altair did WJ> you? (for WJ> >the uninitiated: no keyboard; no WJ> >screen, no storage, no printer: just switches and some leds. and you WJ> had to WJ> >solder the thing together yourself!) WJ> >Hi-Lo WJ> When I was a kid I had one of them mechanical adding machines where you WJ> spun the dials with a stylus. Does that count? Really, the only way to go is with the new Abacus 200T. It's got a video port now, so if you calculate and flip them beads quick enough, a pixel lights up.......somewhere. Justin Free Spirit Productions * Q-Blue 1.0 * From mark_prenter@mindlink.bc.ca Tue Jun 13 22:17:09 PDT 1995 Article: 7137 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7137 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!news.mindlink.net!news From: mark_prenter@mindlink.bc.ca (Mark Prenter) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Glow Effect (Where is it?) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:54:11 GMT Organization: Electric Moose Productions Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3ri2f4$bo0@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> References: <3r2rfk$rhm@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> <3rhhbl$kh6@News1.mcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: line07.pm1.abb.mindlink.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Dan Ablan wrote: >Thealy@nesbbx.rain.COM (Thomas Healy) wrote: >> >> In <3r2rfk$rhm@deep.rsoft.bc.ca>, mark_prenter@mindlink.bc.ca (Mark Prenter) >> writes: >> > Hi, Can anybody tell me where the glow effect is for LW 4? In the >> > Pre-Release Notes it goes into detail explaining how GLOW works, but I >> > can't find any of the buttons in Layout. Is this a feature that >> > didn't quite make it to the Pre-Release or am I simply going nuts? >> > >> > Mark >> > Look in the Lens Flares options >> >> Thomas > It's under the EFFECTS panel, and not working yet. > > Dan I guess it SHOULD be under the effects panel, but it isn't yet. I hope it will be eventually. Mark ############################################################################ # Mark Prenter #"Open ended SCSI.....You've been targeted # # Electric Moose Productions # for termination!" # # Computer Graphics & Animation # # #-------------------------------# A scene taken from the new action film, # # mark_prenter@mindlink.bc.ca # "SCSI Terminators." # ############################################################################ From Rob@edensoft.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 13 22:18:20 PDT 1995 Article: 7138 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7138 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!edensoft.demon.co.uk!Rob From: Robert Dorney Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: PCs - i`m sick of hearing about `em!! Date: 12 Jun 1995 19:56:46 +0100 Organization: C/O Eden Software Lines: 15 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <856106346wnr@edensoft.demon.co.uk> References: <3r18di$1uvk@holly.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <3r1huh$53k@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: Rob@edensoft.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 X-Posting-Host: edensoft.demon.co.uk In article: <3r1huh$53k@newsbf02.news.aol.com> stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) writes: > > You know, I wonder if people on C-64 boards (they ARE out there) are > talking about how Escom might bring back a NEW C-64....with 64 Megs of > RAM, a 640 Mhz Motorola 60640 processor, and a 64 Gig Drive...all > standard. And the price? $640.64. > > THAT will kill the PC. hahah, AND with a 15 year old sound chip it STILL even kicks PC's ass in that dept. too..haha Red Devil/DCS { Rob@Edensoft.Demon.CO.UK } ( Lightwave/Fractal Painter lover) From jack@outer.net Tue Jun 13 22:18:33 PDT 1995 Article: 7139 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7139 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!bga.com!news From: jack@outer.net (Jack Spradling) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Something is *very* wrong with PC Lightwave. Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 19:00:36 GMT Organization: Real/Time Communications - Bob Gustwick and Associates Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3ri3p1$p53@giga.bga.com> References: <3qgvej$edo@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: five.wayne.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Well my p100 / 64 meg ram / 4 gigs and #9gex64pro with 4 meg is just a slow or worse. HELP!!!! videoman@netcom.com wrote: >axtell805@aol.com (Axtell805) writes: >>I agree!! And I'm also upset. My 100 mhz Pentium 64 ram 9 gigs, was >>bought so I could have my Lightwave dream system and it's crawling at 24 >>bit (in windows 3.1). Tech support says LW needs the stinkin low 8 bit >>setting 256 colors for real time interactivity and animation....but that >>can't be right. Let's drive this to a resolution. Let me know anything >>you find out and look for my other note. Ax >well, PC's are a pick your part deal... what sort of graphics card are >you useing, this is going to be the key to your redraw speed. >also, hopefully your motherboard is based on the new Triton chipset, the >memory and speed across the PCI bus is much improved. >-- >.__________________________________________________________________________. >| -== When Dreams Become Reality ==- -= IM Design=- | >|"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""|"""""""""""""""""""""|""""""""""""""""""""| >| videoman@netcom.com | FTP: ftp.netcom.com | Video Production | >| videoman@cyberspace.org | DIR: pub/videoman | 3D Graphics & DTP | >| Mosaic Home Page: file://ftp.netcom.com/pub/vi/videoman/web/HOME.html | >|3 Amiga's and a 100Mhz Pentium/triton/f&w SCSI/4Meg Stealth-VIDEO/3601CD | >~""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""~ From glynw@cix.compulink.co.uk Tue Jun 13 22:18:36 PDT 1995 Article: 7140 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7140 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!btnet!news.compulink.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: glynw@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Glyn Williams") Subject: Benchmark Performance. Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange Distribution: world Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 20:57:48 GMT X-News-Software: Ameol32 Lines: 12 I'm compiling a benchmark performance league table from results based on the Blade frame 54. (see other messages) Instead of cluttering the list - if people Email me the results from their systems. I'll add the result to the list and post the league-table periodically. The purpose is not to provide ammo in an a PC v Amiga war, rather to compile hard data which will allow reasoned price/performance comparisons. My guess is that Alpha based systems and P120s will come out the best value. We shall see what we shall see. What we find, we find. Glyn Williams. From wha@netaxs.com Tue Jun 13 22:18:40 PDT 1995 Article: 7142 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7142 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netaxs.com!wha From: wha@netaxs.com (Bill Ainsworth) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Lightwave a ray tracer? Date: 12 Jun 1995 21:39:22 GMT Organization: Philadelphia's Complete Internet Provider Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3ric6a$lg2@netaxs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unix3.netaxs.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Does Lightwave do true ray tracing for realistic glass reflections, etc. Thanks in advance. -- WWW WWW | | | | Bill Ainsworth | |WWW| | wha@netaxs.com | | | /-\ | Existence is impermanent and fluid. To cling to it is folly. | | | | "Come to Butthead..." /=========\ From CCITECH@ix.netcom.com Tue Jun 13 22:17:35 PDT 1995 Article: 7143 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7143 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: CCITECH@ix.netcom.com (CCI) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: DPS PERCEPTION when? Date: 12 Jun 1995 22:18:03 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3rieer$kui@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> References: <3rbe0d$fpu@pipe2.nyc.pipeline.com> <3rhlre$bm2@news.globalone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-ir13-21.ix.netcom.com In <3rhlre$bm2@news.globalone.net> davewarner@globalone.net () writes: > >Michael Justin Austin (justin@nyc.pipeline.com) wrote: >: anyone know when dps is supposed to release the PCI >: perception board? > >I know someone who is "beta-testing" the Perception unit already...no word >on how well it works, but I'm sure it's gonna kick ass. > >-- > -David Warner > Event Horizon Graphics > > Michael,, DPS has stated the "Perception" will be released by the end of June. Hope their right.. : } CCI From bman2@ix.netcom.com Tue Jun 13 22:17:10 PDT 1995 Article: 7144 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7144 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: bman2@ix.netcom.com (Brenden Mecleary ) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Glow Effect (Where is it?) Date: 12 Jun 1995 22:32:48 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3rifag$qdd@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <3r2rfk$rhm@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-esc-ca1-15.ix.netcom.com In Thealy@nesbbx.rain.COM (Thomas Healy) writes: > >In <3r2rfk$rhm@deep.rsoft.bc.ca>, mark_prenter@mindlink.bc.ca (Mark Prenter) >writes: >> Hi, Can anybody tell me where the glow effect is for LW 4? In the >> Pre-Release Notes it goes into detail explaining how GLOW works, but I >> can't find any of the buttons in Layout. Is this a feature that >> didn't quite make it to the Pre-Release or am I simply going nuts? >> >> Mark >> > > >Look in the Lens Flares options > >Thomas > I think that Mark meant SURFACE glow, not lens flare glow! Brenden Mecleary From tjepp3d@aol.com Tue Jun 13 22:18:44 PDT 1995 Article: 7145 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7145 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tjepp3d@aol.com (TJepp3D) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Editing on PAR Date: 12 Jun 1995 18:20:25 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 9 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3riej9$sqc@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: tjepp3d@aol.com (TJepp3D) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Does anyone use either Adobe Premiere or InSync Razor Pro with the PAR? I'm looking to get one or the other to edit animation work together on the PAR, but I'm not sure which is better. I've read reviews on both of them, and both seem good, with powerful features, but I've never seen a side-by-side comparison. Anyone have experience with one or both of these? Thanks for your help. Troy Jeppsen From you@host.somedomain Tue Jun 13 22:18:35 PDT 1995 Article: 7146 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com rec.video.desktop:6602 rec.video.production:23152 comp.sys.amiga.marketplace:52374 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7146 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!usenet From: you@host.somedomain (YourNameHere) Newsgroups: rec.video.desktop,rec.video.production,comp.sys.amiga.marketplace,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: FS: A4000/Toaster PRICE REDUCED! Date: 12 Jun 1995 20:47:14 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3ri94i$mnn@grok.provo.Novell.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: mmower.is.provo.novell.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 Hi All, This is a repost of an earlier message, however the price has been lowered by about 12%! I am Asking $4000 plus shipping and COD. Please respond via E-mail. I am selling the following items as a "bundle": ************************************************************************** Amiga A4000 040 25Mhz Buster -11 Rev 3.1 A3640 (040 card) 16 Megs Fast RAM 2 Megs Chip RAM 2- 420 Meg Conner Hard drives ( Nearly full of stuff) Toaster4000 Ver 3.5 software The following software is included: Directory Opus, Inovatronics Interchange Plus, Syndesis Pixel 3D, Axiom AnimWorkshop, Axiom WaveMaker 1.0, Axiom ADPro 2.5, Elastic Reality Morph+, Elastic Reality GigaMem, Inovatronics ImageMaster RT, Black Belt Sytems Imagine 3.0, Impulse Forge, Apex Essence vol I, Apex Essence vol II, Apex ************************************************************************** From chriso5683@aol.com Tue Jun 13 22:18:38 PDT 1995 Article: 7147 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7147 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chriso5683@aol.com (ChrisO5683) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: FS : Lightwave 4.0 for Windows Date: 12 Jun 1995 17:09:42 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 2 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3riaem$rhe@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: chriso5683@aol.com (ChrisO5683) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com In box and unregistered. Paid $860 new will sell for $700 shipped or will trade toward a Macintosh 040 or Powerpc system From davewarner@globalone.net Tue Jun 13 22:18:07 PDT 1995 Article: 7148 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7148 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:274 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.globalone.net!shell.globalone.net!davewarner From: davewarner@globalone.net () Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave, Subject: Re: Study with Ron Thornton! What do you want to learn? Followup-To: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave, Date: 12 Jun 1995 22:17:16 GMT Organization: Global One, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3riedc$g9v@news.globalone.net> References: <3qvdr1$skk@news.primenet.com> <9506090040.AA000cy@imc-a1.demon.co.uk> <3rhvtg$8u4@news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.globalone.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Brady Caverly (Brady@desktopimages.com) wrote: : Thanks for your interest. I'm wondering if my list made it to the rest of you guys? I posted at least a half dozen things I'd like to see on the tape (one of them being thruster flare control) but I'm not sure if it ever made it out to the rest of the world, since nobody replied to it....it was cross-posted to the old newsgroup too. Am I just being paranoid or are my messages not getting out properly? Maybe this is why I'm getting old messages through the mailing lists! -- -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics From Brad.Bowman@daytonoh.ncr.com Tue Jun 13 22:18:28 PDT 1995 Article: 7149 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7149 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub6!daynews!ranger!news From: Brad Bowman Subject: Re: PCs - i`m sick of hearing about `em!! X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 149.25.26.106 Message-ID: Sender: news@ranger.daytonoh.attgis.com (News Administrative Login) Reply-To: Brad.Bowman@daytonoh.ncr.com Organization: AT&T GIS X-Newsreader: DiscussIT for Windows (1.8.6) [Software Products Division of AT&T/NCR] References: <3qllf5$5f0@dux.dundee.ac.uk> <3rcg05$hi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:55:47 GMT Lines: 11 Thanks for the comments John. I got some very hot flaming e-mail for expressing the same opinion. The platform envy has got to stop. Brad Bowman Technical Consultant and 3D Animator - AT&T Global Information Solutions - Dayton, Ohio If you think your job is boring, you probably need to upgrade your software The Views Expressed by Me are Not Neccessarily the Views of AT&T (Mine are Cool) From davewarner@globalone.net Tue Jun 13 22:18:52 PDT 1995 Article: 7150 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7150 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.globalone.net!shell.globalone.net!davewarner From: davewarner@globalone.net () Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Lonely Lily - Still Alive! Date: 12 Jun 1995 22:35:57 GMT Organization: Global One, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3rifgd$g9v@news.globalone.net> References: <3rho91$c3c@news.asiaonline.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.globalone.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sylvia Wong (clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca) wrote: : She loves to receive phone calls from foreig men. Gee, can she help us with LightWave? =) (or would that RightWave?) :-) -- -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics From davewarner@globalone.net Tue Jun 13 22:18:41 PDT 1995 Article: 7151 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7151 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.globalone.net!shell.globalone.net!davewarner From: davewarner@globalone.net () Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave a ray tracer? Date: 12 Jun 1995 22:41:25 GMT Organization: Global One, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3rifql$g9v@news.globalone.net> References: <3ric6a$lg2@netaxs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.globalone.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Bill Ainsworth (wha@netaxs.com) wrote: : Does Lightwave do true ray tracing for realistic glass reflections, etc. : Thanks in advance. Yup! You can turn on ray-traced Shadows, Reflections, Refraction or any combination of them. -- -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics From rellison@gate.net Tue Jun 13 22:16:38 PDT 1995 Article: 7152 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7152 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.gate.net!dffl5-20 From: rellison@gate.net (Rod Ellison) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Specs On CD Cover Res Date: 12 Jun 1995 22:56:29 GMT Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3rigvn$7tg_001@dffl5-20.gate.net> References: <3r2ml7$jtq@flood.xnet.com> <3r32dt$7rk_001@dffl6-19.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dffl5-20.gate.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 In article , Manuel Coats wrote: > > >> Not sure I know what you mean by custom pic size but I'm also interested >> in this question. I've also been creating some CD >> artwork (with Truespace) but I've been cropping it to 4.75" X 4.625" >> (not alot different but wonder if the 4.75" above is the standard). 4.625" >> seems to be the actual if you measure. Also - I've been scaling to 200DPI - >> is this to small?? The printed image (on my Epson stylus) seems great >> for a demo proof but the DUP house with it's high quality printers may >> say 200 DPI isn't enough res. I don't have a syquest - Wonder if DUP house's >> can import the .tif, scale it up to 300 dpi, and unsharp mask it to clean >> up possible blur. Also, does anyone know if most dup houses use the new >> IOMEGA zip drives at all - I think I could afford this as a portable media. >> >> Thx, Rod > >No,no, no... I just went through something similar. I needed to get >three different pics to the print house for the VHS sleeves for >LIGHTSPEED and each picture was 14+ megs. At the time I had no removable >media except standard floppies, and I wasn't about to break the pics down >to 30 or disks. What we ended up doing is J-pegging them at 96% quality >which knocked the size down to 1.4 megs which we then could put on a >total of three disks (three pics). The quality was great... in fact more >than the printer needed. > >Manny >LIGHTSPEED > Thx Manny - I'll try your suggestion. I think I'll re-render and scale to 300DPI and try J-pegging at 96% as you describe - Just curious what DPI your pics were so they printed ok. Thx for the reply Rod From pockets@netcom.com Tue Jun 13 22:18:54 PDT 1995 Article: 7153 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7153 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!pockets From: pockets@netcom.com (Sean C. Cunningham) Subject: Realtime LW input... Message-ID: Organization: Digital Domain, Venice Beach, CA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 01:14:47 GMT Lines: 14 Sender: pockets@netcom3.netcom.com I've got a plug-in idea, and I won't even charge you if you wanna write it ;) How about a plug-in that reads the mouseport in realtime right into a channel, er, I mean an envelope. In fact, it could read two channels of info at the same time, or should allow this as an option. The possibilities for such a plugin are numerous. I'm mainly interested in using it to apply a handheld look to camera movement. Any takers? -- Digital Domain: sean.cunningham@d2.com | "I'm sorry, did I break N e t c o m: pockets@netcom.com | your concentration?" R e a l World: Sean C. Cunningham | -Samuel L. Jackson From downinit@teleport.com Tue Jun 13 22:18:56 PDT 1995 Article: 7154 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7154 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:275 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!nntp.teleport.com!usenet From: Darren Metcalfe Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: LW4.0 Amiga, Modeler Video Modes Date: 13 Jun 1995 01:30:21 GMT Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3ripnd$g55@maureen.teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-vanc1-19.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) I've asked this (kinda) before, hoping to get an answer from Stuart this time... My 2000/Zeus/PicassoII is history. I couldn't stand waiting on vmem redraws in ImageFX. I've replaced it with a 3000T/Warp and will get a CyberVision64 next week. Do I stand a chance of getting Modeler to operate correctly on a CyberGraphics screen? If not, at least I can get a non-interlaced Amiga display out of the 3000T. -- Darren Metcalfe downinit@teleport.com From downinit@teleport.com Tue Jun 13 22:17:21 PDT 1995 Article: 7155 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7155 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!nntp.teleport.com!usenet From: Darren Metcalfe Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW student pricing? Date: 13 Jun 1995 01:39:11 GMT Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3riq7v$g55@maureen.teleport.com> References: <3r1mob$p99@carrera. <3r4dje$m4n@carrera.inc.net> <3rbkmk$dc4@news.xmission.com> <140301@cup.portal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-vanc1-19.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) Jeric@cup.portal.com (J Eric Chard) wrote: > BTW, anybody else as low as me-- if you buy Premiere, DON'T buy > Photoshop. Premiere comes with a coupon for Photoshop for $199 > (the coupon says more, but the offer changed for the better). Whew, > glad the bookstore was out of stock that day, saved me a hundred > simoleans. Ya know, those Adobe guys are actually kinda nice to their customers. I had PShop3.0 for the Mac, called about doing a cross-platform deal to get it on the PC. They >said< they were going to charge me $150 + $7 shipping. Got it later that week with an invoice for $0, they even paid the shipping for me! I have a copy of PShop Limited Edition for Mac. It's upgradeable to Mac3.0 or PC3.0 for the same $150 deal. Make me an offer, you might get lucky like I did and get it upgraded for nothing... -- Darren Metcalfe downinit@teleport.com From downinit@teleport.com Tue Jun 13 22:17:16 PDT 1995 Article: 7156 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7156 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:276 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!nntp.teleport.com!usenet From: Darren Metcalfe Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW student pricing? Date: 13 Jun 1995 01:43:11 GMT Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3riqff$g55@maureen.teleport.com> References: <3r4dje$m4n@carrera.inc.net> <3rae2c$l21@qualcomm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-vanc1-19.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) wturber@primenet.com (Walter J. Turberville (III)) wrote: >With software and hardware >changing rapidly (Mac jumps from 040 to PowerPC and now has mips >edge over Intel x86 for example), "loyalty" isn't necessarily a good thing. I dunno man, I think the MacOS gets in the way here. The 8100/80 crawls along compared to the P90, I prefer to run PShop under NT. -- Darren Metcalfe downinit@teleport.com From argon@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Tue Jun 13 22:19:02 PDT 1995 Article: 7157 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7157 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!mr.net!news.mr.net!urvile.msus.edu!tigger.stcloud.msus.edu!ARGON From: argon@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW Upper Polygon Limit? Date: 13 Jun 1995 03:05:33 GMT Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3riv9t$1tt@urvile.MSUS.EDU> References: <6792.760.uupcb@mercopus.com> Reply-To: argon@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu In article <6792.760.uupcb@mercopus.com>, dan.bloomfield@mercopus.com (Dan Bloomfield) writes: >-> 1000 objects per scene >-> 1000 lights per scene >-> 1000 images per scene >-> 32,000 bones per object (personally, I've only had a need for about >-> 28,000 bones - the pop-up only takes 5 hours to go thru em!) >-> 300 pounds per animator >-> >-> JG >I was really hoping 4.0 would do away with the 1,000 object limit >because particle animations can easily use more than a 1,000 single >point polygon objects. BTW if you have a more than 300 pound animator >just do a Boolean subtract operation on them. :) > Since most groups of particles, ie: explosions, are grouped under one object name, I don't think the 1000 object limit would really matter. My 9000 1 point polygon explosion are under the single object name "explosion". >| 2000 Conferences - 100,000 Files - One of America's Top 100 BBS Systems | >+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ir001307@interramp.com Tue Jun 13 22:18:46 PDT 1995 Article: 7158 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7158 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!info.ucla.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!fas-news.harvard.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!interramp.com!usenet From: "Eric A. Quiroz" Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Editing on PAR Date: 13 Jun 1995 02:34:14 GMT Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3ritf6$okq@usenet.interramp.com> References: <3riej9$sqc@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip82.san-antonio.tx.interramp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: tjepp3d@aol.com At the University of Texas at San Antonio, we use the InSync Razor product. The software works pretty good. The software is still in the early stages and not as defined as Adobe Premiere (right now). One major thing that I don't like is the zoom feature. When you zoom in the program goes to the left and then you have to scroll around to find where you were at. Adobe Premiere right now has more effects, better editing of audio, and supports quicktime and more file formats. I hope in the next version of Razor they fix the zoom feature and more file formats to inport and export. From jack@outer.net Tue Jun 13 22:19:06 PDT 1995 Article: 7159 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7159 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.outer.net!news From: jack@outer.net (Jack Spradling) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Importing 3DS files to Light Wave... Help Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 01:18:02 -0500 (CDT) Organization: My Home Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3rj3f1$f6@outer.net> Reply-To: jack@outer.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.251.175.19 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.38 I can't seem to get light wave intel to import a 3ds file, please tell me what I am doing wrong. From krishna@primenet.com Tue Jun 13 22:18:14 PDT 1995 Article: 7160 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7160 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:277 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!info.ucla.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!krishna From: krishna@primenet.com (Glenn Saunders) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave, Subject: Re: Study with Ron Thornton! What do you want to learn? Followup-To: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave, Date: 13 Jun 1995 04:40:08 GMT Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet (602)395-1010 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3rj4r8$2nh@news5.primenet.com> References: <3qvdr1$skk@news.primenet.com> <9506090040.AA000cy@imc-a1.demon.co.uk> <3rhvtg$8u4@news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr4.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] The mortal Brady Caverly wrote: : Another possibility is a title specifically on sci-fi FX: : Lasers, Projectiles, Warp FX, propulsion systems and explosion : techniques, not covered in "Pyrotechniques." Not sure if there : is enough interest for a title that specific. Not only that, but starfield/nebulas and planets. Effective suns (the opening flare crankdown screwup in B5 shows that it isn't as easy as it seems, at least with 3.5). : BTW: Foundation Imaging also does a lot of work with animated : robots and other mechanical creatures and they've developed : some interesting techniques for moving them around. Anybody : interested in that? If it covers the IK in LW 4.0 that would be useful. From freddric@aol.com Tue Jun 13 22:18:11 PDT 1995 Article: 7161 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7161 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:278 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: freddric@aol.com (Freddric) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave, Subject: Re: Study with Ron Thornton! What do you want to learn? Date: 12 Jun 1995 22:15:42 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 7 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3risce$4fe@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3rhvtg$8u4@news.primenet.com> Reply-To: freddric@aol.com (Freddric) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Brady Caverly wrote: ::BTW: Foundation Imaging also does a lot of work with animated ::robots and other mechanical creatures and they've developed ::some interesting techniques for moving them around. Anybody ::interested in that? Yes, yes, ohhhhh yes. From Jeric@cup.portal.com Tue Jun 13 22:17:32 PDT 1995 Article: 7162 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7162 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!decwrl!svc.portal.com!portal.com!cup.portal.com!Jeric From: Jeric@cup.portal.com (J Eric Chard) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Chroma wall 4 digital comp? Date: 13 Jun 1995 00:20:14 -0700 Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 23 Sender: pccop@unix.portal.com Message-ID: <140359@cup.portal.com> References: <3rd19u$2va@ionews.ionet.net> <3rhksq$bm2@news.globalone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: news1.unix.portal.com >: Questions I have include: What color paint would be best? > >I picked up a gallon of #39 Chroma Key Blue paint made by Muralo for $33 with >shipping from Epstein & Sons (212-265-3960). You'll get good results if you >paint a piece of plywood or luaun and light it evenly. Be sure to light the >blue screen and your actor seperately. BTW, I just got through with a Ultimatte project at Pinnacle here in Seattle, and all you gaffer types will be interested to know that the Ultimatte tip sheet SPECIFICALLY recommends against using a CTO backlight on the talent, as the Ultimatte is such an incredibly hot box that all this does is give your talent an amber backlight. Still true for normal chroma-keying though. **************************************************************************** * (OOOOO) Jeric@cup.portal.com | Synergy Graphix & Animation * * (OOOOOOO) Welcome to Seattle! | Film and Video Productions * * /////// Have a latte'! |Technical Subjects Our Specialty! * * /////// Or else! | * * **************************************************************************** From Jeric@cup.portal.com Tue Jun 13 22:16:45 PDT 1995 Article: 7163 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7163 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!decwrl!svc.portal.com!portal.com!cup.portal.com!Jeric From: Jeric@cup.portal.com (J Eric Chard) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Space? Date: 13 Jun 1995 00:20:21 -0700 Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 40 Sender: pccop@unix.portal.com Message-ID: <140360@cup.portal.com> References: <3qsult$15r1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <6651.760.uupcb@mercopus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news1.unix.portal.com Manny Coates writes: > > >On 6 Jun 1995, Dan Bloomfield wrote: > >> -> 2. How are the spaceships gonna maneuver? My favorite thing about >> -> B5's ships is that they can do all them fancy full 3D moves in space. >> -> Quite realistic. >> -> 4.Weapons? The BIG mistake on B5 is >> I agree with all your points about unrealistic space battles, but the >> aim of a TV show is not to give physics lessons but to entertain. >> Completely realistic space battles would be ones in which you never saw >> the opposing ship except on a sensor screen, not exactly what the public >> has come to expect from Star Wars, ST etc. > >Not to mention that there would be no sound from explosions or lasers. >And why do ships have to look aerodynamic or have wings in space? The >reason is exactly what you mentioned... entertainment. > >Manny > When David Lynch was up here shooting "Twin Peaks", there was a night scene in which his DP, Ron Garcia, lit up the forest with a twelve-K. Lynch was bitching (in a very low key polite way, he's very polite) "What's motivating it? Where's this light coming from?" Exasperated, Garcia turned to him and said, "David, it's coming from the same place the music comes from!" **************************************************************************** * (OOOOO) Jeric@cup.portal.com | Synergy Graphix & Animation * * (OOOOOOO) Welcome to Seattle! | Film and Video Productions * * /////// Have a latte'! |Technical Subjects Our Specialty! * * /////// Or else! | * * **************************************************************************** From gjosol@cris.com Tue Jun 13 22:19:16 PDT 1995 Article: 7164 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7164 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!warp.cris.com!usenet From: gjosol@cris.com (George Josol) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Lightwave FAQ needed? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 08:12:14 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3rjhhc$7tm@warp.cris.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crc2.cris.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Can someone please direct me to Lightwaves FAQ location. I'm also looking for any PD objects or surfaces to add to the default stuff that came with my toaster. Any FTP sites? take care, george- From dingebre@xmission.xmission.com Tue Jun 13 22:18:31 PDT 1995 Article: 7165 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7165 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!xmission!xmission!dingebre From: dingebre@xmission.xmission.com (David Ingebretsen) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: PCs - i`m sick of hearing about `em!! Date: 13 Jun 1995 06:20:58 GMT Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 90 Message-ID: <3rjaoa$3fa@news.xmission.com> References: <3qllf5$5f0@dux.dundee.ac.uk> <3rcg05$hi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] John Gregor (aq722@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote: : >users?, this newsgroup is being dominated by complaining PC users. Keep it : Get used to it. It will become more and more so in the future as people : continue to move away from the Amiga. [analysis and prophecy deleted...] : about how LW is becoming a PC program won't change reality. The market : cares about economics, price/performance, support, and standards, not brand : loyalty. John, I'm glad that you can see the future 'cuz no one else can. Your analysis forgot to consider that NewTek's own Tim Jennison has on more than one occasion committed to support the Amiga, not only with updates but with NEW products. You forgot that LW was re-written to be easy to port and maintain on several different platforms. You forgot that Stuart Furgeson BEGIN INCLUDE*********************** >From xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!shf Mon Nov 28 00:40:55 1994 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!shf From: shf@netcom.com (Stuart Ferguson) Subject: Re: LightWave on Amiga Message-ID: Organization: The Blue Planet References: <9411261351.AA0006a@crazybe.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 21:56:51 GMT Lines: 29 +-- andy@crazybe.demon.co.uk (Andrew Barnett) writes: | Ok, right. All I when to know is that will there be LightWave 4.0, 5.0 on | the Amiga. I've just bought LW 3.5 for my Amiga and I want to know whether | I have wasted my money and should go and KILL myself. | Only ask this because someone told me that LW4.0 will be on CD-ROM, and CD-Rom | is mainly on the PC. There seems to have been a lot of unnecessary panic about this lately, so let me put your minds at ease. The 4.0 LightWave for the Amiga will be released at the same time as 4.0 for PC and 4.0 for SGI. The way we're porting the code will make all the ports complete at virtually the same time, barring any system-specific issues that come up in testing. My primary development system is the Amiga. All the various other systems that hang off my office ethernet are slaved to the master sources on the Amiga. As for the future, who can say? A lot of things can happen before we do a 5.0. Amigas could go back into production and become viable, competitive platforms, or the business could go under completely. In any case, we have no intention of abandoning our existing customer base. The cross platform technology we're developing now will make it easier in the future to support Amiga along with any other platform we develop for. As for me, the only way anyone will get me to give up my Amiga will be to pry it out of my cold, dead hands. -- Stuart Ferguson (shf@netcom.com) "How do you compute that? Where on the graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?" END INCLUDE****************************** The Amiga IS back. You forgot that ESCOM has committed to R&D for Amiga hardware and that that includes 060's by fall and RISC to follow. You forgot that as long as NewTek makes money from sales of Amiga hardware/software, they will likely continue. NewTek isn't a new kid looking to start up Amiga development, they have been at it for years. Many will choose the PC and MicroSoft's OS for their platform of choice. Many will choose the SGI, Alpha, and Amiga... Yeah, there will be a lot of plug-ins for the PC, but if it follows the tradition of typical PC software, the ones that will be on the Amiga will be among the better available. They already removed glow and made it a plug-in. Get out your checkbook... -- David David M. Ingebretsen *** Binary Illusions / 3D Physics *** dingebre@xmission.xmission.com *** Animation and more *** From jmacleod@Direct.CA Tue Jun 13 22:19:26 PDT 1995 Article: 7166 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7166 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!news.Direct.CA!usenet From: jmacleod@Direct.CA (James Macleod) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: DPS Perception Question: Video editing Date: 13 Jun 1995 09:21:11 GMT Organization: Internet Direct Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3rjla7$353@stud.Direct.CA> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn-70.direct.ca X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ A friend of mine was thinking of buying a DVision for off line editing. I am wondering if it possible to do the samething with the Perception. This is really a software thing, so maybe I should be asking about Premiere or Razor. He wants to load on say 10 hours of low rez crappy quality, edit down to 30 minutes and then have the card fetch it off the deck at full quality put it together and output it at full quality. There is no way he can afford to buy 90GB of HD space to put it all on at full quality. Does the software do this and create and EDL? I think EDL is the right letters. Edit list? I would guess it would do it with time code and a serial port. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. :) From ehaddix@lunatix.lex.ky.us Tue Jun 13 22:19:04 PDT 1995 Article: 7167 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7167 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!ukma!lunatix!ehaddix From: ehaddix@lunatix.lex.ky.us (Eric Haddix) Subject: FS:LW and Modeler Video's Organization: Lexington Public Access UNIX -KY- (606)269-0992 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 05:14:13 GMT Message-ID: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 20 Well this is for those of you who WANT to learn some tricks of Lightwave and Modeler but don't know where to start.. These are the Desktop Images videos "Surfaces" and "Modeler"..Plus I have "Taming the Wave" video(s...unsure of this...lookin for the other as I write this)...and the tutorial disks... I will only sell these as a set as the s/h will be kinda expensive for 4 videos,etc... So if you're interested send me an offer...not really sure what they're worth but I can say that the surfaces and Modeler videos have only been played once...I'll take the best offer within 5 days of posting this message... Oh for the security of all persons involved I will only ship COD... Thanx and L8a -- Nothing is illegal if one hundred businessmen decide to do it. -- Andrew Young LEGALIZE MARIJUANA!!!----Eric Haddix ehaddix@lunatix.lex.ky.us From nemesis@netspace.net.au Tue Jun 13 22:16:59 PDT 1995 Article: 7168 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7168 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!news.netspace.net.au!netspace From: nemesis@netspace.net.au (Gavin Gregson) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: lha Date: 12 Jun 1995 00:46:41 GMT Organization: NetSpace Online Systems Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3rg2ph$2ot@otis.netspace.net.au> References: <3r4bdh$o42@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-a22.netspace.net.au X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 In article <3r4bdh$o42@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jsonedecke@aol.com (JSonedecke) wrote: >I was just wandering if there is a utility to convert a *.LHA file to a >*.ZIP file or someway to uncompress most of the Lightwave objects found in >the Public Domain for use on a PC. Thanks >-John Sonedecker Get LHANT from Tomahawk (in LW_NT/Utils I think). Since it's ported from the UNIX version it won't truncate filenames like the standard DOS LHA will. Regards, Gavin From nemesis@netspace.net.au Tue Jun 13 22:17:03 PDT 1995 Article: 7169 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7169 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!news.netspace.net.au!netspace From: nemesis@netspace.net.au (Gavin Gregson) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Babylon 5 Station Date: 12 Jun 1995 00:58:56 GMT Organization: NetSpace Online Systems Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3rg3gg$2ot@otis.netspace.net.au> References: <0C7D99A0@talshiar.pp.se> <140063@cup.portal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-a22.netspace.net.au X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 In article <140063@cup.portal.com>, Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) wrote: >>Have anybody the hole babylon 5 station. >>Then please encode it to me. >> >>Mvh/Thomas (E-Mail Thomas_Axelsson@spectre.talshiar.pp.se) >> (SOULGAZER NET 196:604/0) (FidoNet 2:201/639.0) >> (InfoNet 42:105/105.0) >> "Red Dawn WHQ for Tal Shiar" [PGP Public key available] >> >> > >A user-modeled version of the B5 station is on Light-ROM 2, a CD >published by Fred Fish's Amiga Library Services, sold everywhere >for US$40 or less. (send email to info@amigalib.com). > >The B5 station files add up to a bit under 1.5 meg of data. >Why not just buy the CD? You'd get what you're after, as well >as thousands of other useful LW models and related files. > >Harv >harv@cup.portal.com If you want the station in a hurry, you can FTP it from Tomahawk (ftp://tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu), it's in LW/Objects. It's called B5STATN.LHA I think. Regards, Gavin From nemesis@netspace.net.au Tue Jun 13 22:17:04 PDT 1995 Article: 7170 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7170 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!news.netspace.net.au!netspace From: nemesis@netspace.net.au (Gavin Gregson) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: different fluids - different colours Date: 12 Jun 1995 01:03:40 GMT Organization: NetSpace Online Systems Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3rg3pc$2ot@otis.netspace.net.au> References: <1995Jun1.123017.17225@zippy.dct.ac.uk> <5n8y1Fl0HhB@joshua.nbg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-a22.netspace.net.au X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 In article <5n8y1Fl0HhB@joshua.nbg.de>, The.Shark@joshua.nbg.de (Marco Brunner) wrote: >Hi hatter: (and all others, answerd me) > >You wrote to the subject: different fluids - different colours: >Well thats my answer: > > >First thanks, for the much answers to my problem, but, their wasnt still >one I can using to get a good result. - Is it realy impossible, to >raytrace such a picture? - (It should look like a real cocktail with >transparent fluids, and backround, shining through.) > >Have anyone an idea? > > >_cu -Marco_ >## CrossPoint v3.02 ## Why not just model the fluids inside the glass (ie. as transparent coloured solids), then give them an appropriate index of refraction? Then turn on raytraced reflection & refraction. Regards, Gavin From langlai@ChamplainCollege.QC.CA Tue Jun 13 22:18:22 PDT 1995 Article: 7171 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7171 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.mcgill.ca!news.management.mcgill.ca!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!altitude!langlai From: langlai@ChamplainCollege.QC.CA (Hughes L'Anglais) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: PCs - i`m sick of hearing about `em!! Date: 13 Jun 1995 11:42:51 GMT Organization: Champlain Regional College, St. Lambert QC CANADA Lines: 45 Message-ID: <3rjtjr$8k0@Tandem.CAM.ORG> References: <3qllf5$5f0@dux.dundee.ac.uk> <3qnhig$qgh@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3qtg79$157a@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> <3qupf6$n84@everest.pinn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: samuel.champlaincollege.qc.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Matthew Copeland (Matthew.Copeland@DaytonOH.NCR.COM) wrote: : >>>are you beta testing LW 4.0 for the TRS-80? : >> : >>>Chris : >> : >>Its just a rumor, but I heard Lee had 10,000 of them in a render farm. The : >>new Screamer-Net-80 uses the novel approach of assigning one polygon to each : >>Z-80 CPU. The biggest developement problem so far is finding space for the : >>10,000 cassette drives and routing the cabling. This is what you call a : >>massively parallel system. : > : >When are they going to have LW4.0 on the Commodore 64? Will it work if I : >put a 16K expander? Can it be used without a mouse? : Please! Everyone knows if you are going to do TRUE graphics, a TI-99/4a is the : machine to have! (Hey, this is almost as obnoxious as arguing over which : current OS/hardware to use. Almost, but not quite...) : -Matt Copeland : "A true appreciation of graphics is not fully understood until you have : programmed sprites--long live the TI-99/4a!" Erm.. Amigas with 060 will be comparable to pentiums, WITHOUT math errors, and if Escom can make a 4000/060-50mhz not too expensive (as in pentium120mhz) it would be probably okay to buy an amiga. Altho the only chance for the amiga platform to survive is a good move when changing to riscs... because INNTEL's 8088 crap is about to end and they'll have to go to something new, maybe next PC's will be PPC stsandar, in that case amiga will be able to run PC shit just as fast as EMPLANT mac does for macintrash... so yeah amiga users can run photoshop, who cares about a 10k$ powerflop? I own a 486DX4-100 and Amiga2000/040-36mhz.. I use the amiga more often, the pc can offer speed, but the oS ar so lame that it's not a pleasure to work on those things, especially when you tasted amigaOS.. Anyways, let's hope Escom squeeze something out soon.. :) From henrik@utb.shv.hb.se Tue Jun 13 22:19:33 PDT 1995 Article: 7172 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7172 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.chalmers.se!news.gu.se!gd-news!c9084.shv.hb.se!henrik From: henrik@utb.shv.hb.se (Henrik Bengtsson) Subject: Re: space Message-ID: Sender: usenet@gdunix.gd.chalmers.se (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: c9084.shv.hb.se Organization: Department of Computer Science and Business Administration References: <3r4oe4$p57@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <3r5537$qa@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 12:26:17 GMT Lines: 8 >Been waiting for this for same time! The info so far makes it seem >rather Star Warsish (good thing) is this an acurate read? Hm.. Here in the dark land of Sweden I have heard naught and nil about this. Where can one aquire knowledge of this wonderous project? (Ie. Where's the URL, dudes? =). Be well, Henrik From laz@anshar.shadow.net Tue Jun 13 22:19:34 PDT 1995 Article: 7173 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7173 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!anshar.shadow.net!anshar.shadow.net!nobody From: laz@anshar.shadow.net (Lazaro Freire) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Transfering AMIGA<>PC LW Scenes Date: 13 Jun 1995 08:49:16 -0400 Organization: Shadow Information Services, Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3rk1gc$g23@anshar.shadow.net> References: <3qvroe$jvn@anshar.shadow.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: anshar.shadow.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] John Gross (jgross@netcom.com) wrote: : Lazaro Freire (laz@anshar.shadow.net) wrote: : : I, like many of you, am using both PC and AMIGA LightWave.. I : : currently have a PAR in an AMIGA so I often do work on both machines for : : later recording off the PAR.. I was wondering if anyone knows of a : : utility that can change PC scenes to AMIGA scenes and back... That would : : be really usefull... Thanks ... : With the final release, LightWave will allow for a "content directory" : choice. IF you have the same directory content on both systems, setting : the content directory to the root dir that contains Images, Objects, : Scenes, etc will allow for easy loading. You could set the content dir to : a floppy if everything fits on there.... : JG Well, that does sound like a great feature. I have one questiong though.. Are the scene script files the same on both platforms? If there are snall differences such as the slashes, then the scene file will not read correctly. I had heard that there was an AREXX script on the AMIGA that would take care of any minor changes between it and the PC. Does anyone know where I could find this script? From cwidget@atlanta.com Tue Jun 13 22:18:49 PDT 1995 Article: 7174 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7174 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!metro.atlanta.com!news From: cwidget@atlanta.com Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Editing on PAR Date: 13 Jun 1995 13:04:02 GMT Organization: Internet Atlanta Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3rk2c2$a0o@metro.atlanta.com> References: <3riej9$sqc@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: widget.atlanta.com X-Newsreader: AIR News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) > tjepp3d@aol.com (TJepp3D) writes: > Does anyone use either Adobe Premiere or InSync Razor Pro with the PAR? > I'm looking to get one or the other to edit animation work together on the > PAR, but I'm not sure which is better. > I've read reviews on both of them, and both seem good, with powerful > features, but I've never seen a side-by-side comparison. Anyone have > experience with one or both of these? Thanks for your help. > Troy Jeppsen If you use a PAR get Razor Pro; although (slightly) less powerfull than Premiere it directly supports the PAR which (I believe) Premiere does not. However; don't quote me on that since I haven't trie4d premiere 4.0 yet. If that directly supports the PAR then it sounds like the way to go. Hi-Lo From syndesis@beta.inc.net Tue Jun 13 22:19:08 PDT 1995 Article: 7175 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7175 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!steve From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Importing 3DS files to Light Wave... Help Date: 13 Jun 1995 13:45:45 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3rk4q9$20i@carrera.inc.net> References: <3rj3f1$f6@outer.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.95.160.214 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article <3rj3f1$f6@outer.net>, jack@outer.net (Jack Spradling) says: > >I can't seem to get light wave intel to import a 3ds file, please tell >me what I am doing wrong. Although they were shipped to NewTek in time for inclusion, NewTek didn't include the announced plug-ins from Syndesis Corporation that would've imported the 3DS files. They should be present in the next beta or the final release, whichever comes first. My company sells a standalone version of these converters. Call (414) 674-5200 for more info. From syndesis@beta.inc.net Tue Jun 13 22:17:42 PDT 1995 Article: 7176 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:280 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7176 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!steve From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW Dongle Date: 13 Jun 1995 13:47:46 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3rk4u2$20i@carrera.inc.net> References: <3rf7s9$93s@lucy.infi.net> <3rho8b$bm2@news.globalone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.95.160.214 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article , bhood@netcom.com (robert hood) says: > > 1. A dongle has no electrical power of its own. Therefore, > by itself, it cannot damage your computer, even if your > computer is on, however.. Don't forget shorting. You can damage your computer with a penny, and the penny doesn't have any internal battery, either. From syndesis@beta.inc.net Tue Jun 13 22:17:18 PDT 1995 Article: 7177 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7177 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:281 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!steve From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW student pricing? Date: 13 Jun 1995 13:56:00 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3rk5dg$20i@carrera.inc.net> References: <3r1mob$p99@carrera. <3r4dje$m4n@carrera.inc.net> <3rbkmk$dc4@news.xmission.co NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.95.160.214 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article , olsonjj@enet.net (JohnO) says: > >I think companies such as Newtek should look at the bigger picture. These >students after they graduate will go to jobs with companies that look to >the students for new ideas. The student who has been using 3D studio or >AutoDesk products throughout school will surely recommend those products >and there is no training involved. Since when do smart, hip companies turn to their "new hires" for buying advice? This always cracks me up. If we want to talk about anecdotal evidence, wouldn't it be more likely that a company looks to their seasoned, experienced employees? Wouldn't they more likely take the advice of some lazy-ass middle-manager who didn't know what they were talking about? :-) (See almost any Dilbert for more examples, or more likely, ask anyone with a real job for a better example.) This is all part of the college student's fantasy: that George Lucas is going to hire them in early June, and by July, he's going to turn to the college student with a pleading look in his eye and ask them which 3D program to buy. From dma@mcs.com Tue Jun 13 22:19:37 PDT 1995 Article: 7178 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7178 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!ddsw1!usenet From: Dan Ablan Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Don't Be Hasty... Date: 13 Jun 1995 14:03:18 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3rk5r6$92d@News1.mcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dma.pr.mcs.net I've read quite a few posts over the past few months about systems for sale. Some people are ready to ditch their Toaster systems because LW is now on the PC. Yes, it's faster. Yes, it's cheaper. Yes, it's got support. But, what everyone may forget, is the macros, the third party support, such as PowerMacs, ADPro, Motion Master, etc. Moreover, Toaster CG, and Framestore display. The reason I'm posting this is not because I'm a huge Amiga fan, as a matter of fact, I've purchased a P100 recently, with LW. But, this week, I have a project that needs nearly 200 pages with text. I'd be in trouble trying to pump out 200 different pages of words with just LightWave. Toaster CG was nice to still have. I understand money concerns, and system sales.. but if money is not an issue, hold onto your Toaster... for a while anyway. Dan Ablan AGA Digital Studios Chicago From dma@mcs.com Tue Jun 13 22:19:38 PDT 1995 Article: 7179 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7179 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!usenet From: Dan Ablan Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Don't Be Hasty... Date: 13 Jun 1995 14:04:17 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3rk5t1$9jv@News1.mcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dma.pr.mcs.net I've read quite a few posts over the past few months about systems for sale. Some people are ready to ditch their Toaster systems because LW is now on the PC. Yes, it's faster. Yes, it's cheaper. Yes, it's got support. But, what everyone may forget, is the macros, the third party support, such as PowerMacs, ADPro, Motion Master, etc. Moreover, Toaster CG, and Framestore display. The reason I'm posting this is not because I'm a huge Amiga fan, as a matter of fact, I've purchased a P100 recently, with LW. But, this week, I have a project that needs nearly 200 pages with text. I'd be in trouble trying to pump out 200 different pages of words with just LightWave. Toaster CG was nice to still have. I understand money concerns, and system sales.. but if money is not an issue, hold onto your Toaster... for a while anyway. Dan Ablan AGA Digital Studios Chicago From jperry@dayton.net Tue Jun 13 22:19:44 PDT 1995 Article: 7180 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7180 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:283 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!zen.firstnet.net!news From: jperry@dayton.net Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: 2 NT Workstations for sale, CHEAP! Date: Tue, 13 Jun 95 10:43:26 PDT Organization: Dayton Internet Services Lines: 50 Message-ID: <3rjo7r$ivu@zen.firstnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.218.243.120 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon -- TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage I’m posting for a friend so DON’T email me! Call my friend Andy Hofman instead! (# at end of message) *---> WINDOWS NT WORKSTATIONS FOR SALE <---* If you've been considering one or two Pentium machines, check out the following math: I am selling each of these MIPS workstations for less than $4,500 apiece. You would need four Pentium systems to equal them, at a cost of $20,000! Why? Consider how much you'd be paying for all that RAM, not to mention other little extras like hard drives, video cards, etc. These are TRUE STANDALONE WORKSTATIONS with keyboards, mice, and Windows NT. With them, you can run virtually any software of your choice, including standalone Lightwave for MIPS. One is 4 months old, and the other 10 months. Both have 2-year warranties, and are performing flawlessly. These are fully equipped workstations (minus monitors) and not stripped-out shells. EACH HAS THE FOLLOWING: MIPS 4600 CPU, 133 MHz 64 Mbyte RAM 2x speed CD ROM internal VESA SVGA card SCSI-II VESA controller Ethernet card Floppy, Keyboard, Mouse Windows NT 3.5 (Daytona) One has a 520 Mbyte HD, and the other a 330 Mbyte HD. No additional network setup is required. They are already configured to talk to each other. Just add monitors and the application of your choice (Standalone LW, Elastic Reality, etc). The economics are simple: TWO much faster machines cost a heck of a lot less than FOUR slower ones. And for tasks like modeling, even a room full of networked Pentiums won't speed things up: you need more power IN ONE BOX. Call Andy Hofman at 513-222-2212. From tankt@cris.com Tue Jun 13 22:16:56 PDT 1995 Article: 7181 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7181 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!warp.cris.com!usenet From: tankt@cris.com Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Attention Lightwave Resellers! Date: 13 Jun 1995 14:58:42 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3rk932$etn@warp.cris.com> References: <3r744s$ob@horus.infinet.com> <31148388@rlyeh.muc.de> Reply-To: tankt@cris.com NNTP-Posting-Host: crc1.cris.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 In <31148388@rlyeh.muc.de>, "Dirk Taggesell" writes: >> More and more I get service/support questions for a program I didnt sell. >> Lightwave is a comprehensive package that needs a good support dealer >> behind it. Show the customer how to use it etc. I guess if you are going to sell >> it for $30 over cost, tell the user in advance you'll give them no support. >[...more arguments deleted...] > >This problem occurs all the time. I know this effect from my own >experience: Example: We make demonstrations of various things in our >shop (like V-LAB motion, Maxon Cinema, Genlocks, Digitizers and so >on), and I recognize that the customers are interested. A few of them >call me the next day, and start beggin for lower prizes, "because they >read in the Mag, that a mail-order-house offers the same thing for a >few bucks less". After explaining them that we gave a demontration, we >will install it, will give an introduction and support, most of the >possible clients complain and says "OK, it's true. I will call later >to make the order". At this moment I know, that's another piece of >Soft- or Hardware which we cannot sell. I worked in an Amiga dealership for 3 years. I got to the point where when people called in and asked questions on software I first asked them "Did you buy the software from us?" If they said yes, I went ahead and helped them to the best of my ability. If they said no, then I asked them why I should help them. If they weren't long time customers who had purchased many items from us, I just said "Feel free to call the people you bought it from for help. Our store needs the support of the community to survive and the owners aren't paying me to give technical support to the competition's customers." IT's that simple. You'll either gain a customer or totally alienate someone who didn't intend to do business with you in the first place. Win-win situation. Tank Taylor Vision Imaging tankt@cris.com From oliver1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Tue Jun 13 22:18:51 PDT 1995 Article: 7182 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7182 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!128 From: oliver1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dean Oliver) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Editing on PAR Date: 13 Jun 1995 15:23:20 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3rkah8$4tf@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3riej9$sqc@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3rk2c2$a0o@metro.atlanta.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rm18h.comm.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 In article <3rk2c2$a0o@metro.atlanta.com>, cwidget@atlanta.com wrote: >> tjepp3d@aol.com (TJepp3D) writes: >> Does anyone use either Adobe Premiere or InSync Razor Pro with the PAR? >> I'm looking to get one or the other to edit animation work together on the >> PAR, but I'm not sure which is better. >> I've read reviews on both of them, and both seem good, with powerful >> features, but I've never seen a side-by-side comparison. Anyone have >> experience with one or both of these? Thanks for your help. >> Troy Jeppsen > > >If you use a PAR get Razor Pro; although (slightly) less powerfull than Premiere it directly supports the >PAR which (I believe) Premiere does not. However; don't quote me on that since I haven't trie4d >premiere 4.0 yet. If that directly supports the PAR then it sounds like the way to go. > >Hi-Lo > > The key word is "directly". To date, Razor Pro and Razor Pro NT are the only video editing apps that directly support the PAR and Perception. DPS has talked for some time about releasing a set of conversion utilities that will make AVI aware apps see native ANI files as AVI. The downside to this approach is that you don't have "real time" effects, etc. Stick with Razor Pro! Dean Oliver Virtually Real From wha@netaxs.com Tue Jun 13 22:19:40 PDT 1995 Article: 7183 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7183 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netaxs.com!wha From: wha@netaxs.com (Bill Ainsworth) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Lightwave demo? Date: 13 Jun 1995 15:07:14 GMT Organization: Philadelphia's Complete Internet Provider Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3rk9j2$9np@netaxs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unix2.netaxs.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Is there a Lightwave PC demo anywhere? Thanks in advance. -- WWW WWW | | | | Bill Ainsworth | |WWW| | wha@netaxs.com | | | /-\ | Existence is impermanent and fluid. To cling to it is folly. | | | | "Come to Butthead..." /=========\ From rotor2av@netcom.com Tue Jun 13 22:17:44 PDT 1995 Article: 7184 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:284 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7184 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!rotor2av From: rotor2av@netcom.com (Rotor) Subject: Re: LOW Dangle Message-ID: Followup-To: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3rf7s9$93s@lucy.infi.net> <3rho8b$bm2@news.globalone.net> <3rk4u2$20i@carrera.inc.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 16:34:53 GMT Lines: 25 Sender: rotor2av@netcom2.netcom.com THE DONGLE!!!! >:-< The bane of my existence!!! Not only is it a complete pain in the testicles I had to take the thing apart to even get it to fit in my machine. (I put it on the end of a cable and it would intermittently fail.) I Have to pull my machine out, unplug my switcher, unplug my DCTV, and put that little annoyance in...every time I want to run LW (Which is pretty frequently...) I can't print while I am rendering because it screws up access to my HP LaserJet if I plug it in the back/passthrough, of the dongle. I have LW 3.5 Amiga, and plan on upgrading to 4.0, but REALLY NEWTEK, there are about a gazillion better ways to protect software (especially on CD-ROM) without such an inconvenience to the end-user! When I pay that $1,000 for 4.0 I will frown every time I pull my machine to plug in the Dongle... PS: IF ANYONE FROM NEWTEK READS THIS, 1) THE DONGLE DOES NOT STOP PIRACY. I'VE SEEN BROKEN COPIES OF LW FLOATING AROUND. 2) I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME BETTER SUGGESTIONS FOR PROTECTING YOUR SOFTWARE AS THAT'S WHAT I USED TO DO FOR A LIVING. ...oh, yeah...BTW, LW checks the dongle on a regular basis...so you couldn't plug and unplug after loading... From bhood@netcom.com Tue Jun 13 22:17:49 PDT 1995 Article: 7185 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:286 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7185 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!bhood From: bhood@netcom.com (robert hood) Subject: Re: LW Dongle Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3rf7s9$93s@lucy.infi.net> <3rho8b$bm2@news.globalone.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 17:33:52 GMT Lines: 51 Sender: bhood@netcom.netcom.com robert hood (bhood@netcom.com) wrote: : davewarner@globalone.net wrote: : : Sumner Bell (ursamino@infi.net) wrote: : : : My question is, if I...take the dongle out after I load the program, : : : it work? : : NOT a good idea! You should never plug/unplug any computer hardware : : the computer is powered up! : As a general rule, yes, this is correct. However, I often find that I've : started Layout or Modeller without having plugged in my dongle, so I simply : plug it in -- with the computer running -- and continue. Two things to : keep in mind: [stuff deleted] : At the risk of enciting you to piracy, I'd try your approach of plugging : in the dongle to each machine, starting the software, and then moving to : the next machine. It may work, it may not. If the software polls the port : occasionally for the dongle presence, you are out of luck. However, I : see the dongle as an attempt to thwart copying of LightWave, which I : whole-heartedly agree with, not a prevention of the same person rendering : multiple frames across multiple machines (I don't work for NewTek -- they : might have a problem with it). Forget this. I tried it. Layout does poll the parallel port after completing each frame of rendering. It will not only stop rendering, it will completely stop the Layout program. Doesn't that suck. In the full release of 4.0, I would encourage NewTek to do as another poster suggested and allow mutiple machines to render at the same time. (i.e. without the need for a dongle). The scene I was rendering took over 8 hours to render. In that time, all other portions of LightWave (i.e. Modeller) were completely unusable (even on my other machine). I'd even be willing to pay a small licensing fee for a second dongle simply to use modeller while layout is rendering! Were I doing this professionally (someday =|^), that would have been eight hours of unproductivity, and that would have been unacceptable. Thanks for the listen. Regards, ||| Bob ^(===)^ -------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------------------- Bob Hood | The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the Home: 303-980-8392 | unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world Work: 303-689-[2409]| to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the --------------------| unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw bhood@netcom.com |------------------------------------------------------- rbh@evolving.com | ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/bh/bhood/www/bhood.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From stranahan@aol.com Tue Jun 13 22:16:51 PDT 1995 Article: 7186 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:287 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7186 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Space! Date: 13 Jun 1995 13:01:31 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 8 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3rkg9b$hlp@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3rhljh$bm2@news.globalone.net> Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Thanks for the kind words, but I gotta tell ya - those were COMPLETELY unauthorized shots to use...they were old 'take one' place holders for the editors, not even the semi-final versions. The final versions are five times better. We were pretty ticked off they showed the versions they did. _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan From bhood@netcom.com Tue Jun 13 22:17:46 PDT 1995 Article: 7187 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:288 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7187 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!bhood From: bhood@netcom.com (robert hood) Subject: Re: LOW Dangle Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3rf7s9$93s@lucy.infi.net> <3rho8b$bm2@news.globalone.net> <3rk4u2$20i@carrera.inc.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 17:44:08 GMT Lines: 59 Sender: bhood@netcom.netcom.com Rotor (rotor2av@netcom.com) wrote: : THE DONGLE!!!! >:-< The bane of my existence!!! : Not only is it a complete pain in the testicles I had to take the thing apart to even get : it to fit in my machine. (I put it on the end of a cable and it would intermittently fail.) : I Have to pull my machine out, unplug my switcher, unplug my DCTV, and put that little : annoyance in...every time I want to run LW (Which is pretty frequently...) : I can't print while I am rendering because it screws up access to my HP LaserJet if I plug : it in the back/passthrough, of the dongle. : I have LW 3.5 Amiga, and plan on upgrading to 4.0, but REALLY NEWTEK, there are about a : gazillion better ways to protect software (especially on CD-ROM) without such an : inconvenience to the end-user! When I pay that $1,000 for 4.0 I will frown every time I : pull my machine to plug in the Dongle... : PS: IF ANYONE FROM NEWTEK READS THIS, 1) THE DONGLE DOES NOT STOP PIRACY. I'VE SEEN : BROKEN COPIES OF LW FLOATING AROUND. 2) I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME BETTER : SUGGESTIONS FOR PROTECTING YOUR SOFTWARE AS THAT'S WHAT I USED TO DO FOR A LIVING. : ...oh, yeah...BTW, LW checks the dongle on a regular basis...so you couldn't plug and unplug : after loading... To some extent I agree with this. I used to bust software protection in my teens, and while I'm sure that dongle technology and algorithms have advanced considerably since then, with some effort I could probably bust the one on LightWave (although I haven't tried, nor will I =|^). However, other forms of protection might alienate me from LightWave. I use two machines, one a tower, the other a notebook. I have LightWave installed on both, because I can't take the tower with me when I go places. However, my notebook has no CD-ROM drive (the one on the tower uses a card in the bus slot). Putting protection on a CD-ROM for example would either require that I stop using LightWave on my notebook or purchase a CD-ROM drive (probably a backpack, which means $$$) and have to lug the damn thing around with me just to use LightWave. Picturing the comedy of having to haul out the CD-ROM drive with my notebook and glidepoint on the bus to and from work every day does *not* bring a smile to my face... Yes, the dongle is a major pain in the ass (I can't render a scene on one machine while using modeler on the other without spending another $1,000 for the privilege), but it is somewhat flexible for some of us. Just MHO. Regards, ||| Bob ^(===)^ -------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------------------- Bob Hood | The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the Home: 303-980-8392 | unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world Work: 303-689-[2409]| to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the --------------------| unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw bhood@netcom.com |------------------------------------------------------- rbh@evolving.com | ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/bh/bhood/www/bhood.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From johnc@MCS.COM Tue Jun 13 22:17:20 PDT 1995 Article: 7188 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7188 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:289 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!salliemae!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: johnc@MCS.COM (John Crookshank) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW student pricing? Followup-To: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Date: 13 Jun 1995 12:35:58 -0500 Organization: MCSNet Subscriber Account, Chicago's First Public-Access Internet! Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3rki9u$eti@Venus.mcs.com> References: <3r1mob$p99@carrera. <3r4dje$m4n@carrera.inc.net> <3rbkmk$dc4@news.xmission.co <3rk5dg$20i@carrera.inc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.mcs.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2 (KSD)] John Foust (syndesis@beta.inc.net) wrote: > Since when do smart, hip companies turn to their "new hires" for buying > advice? This always cracks me up. If we want to talk about anecdotal > evidence, wouldn't it be more likely that a company looks to their > seasoned, experienced employees? Wouldn't they more likely take the > advice of some lazy-ass middle-manager who didn't know what they were > talking about? :-) (See almost any Dilbert for more examples, or > more likely, ask anyone with a real job for a better example.) > This is all part of the college student's fantasy: that George Lucas > is going to hire them in early June, and by July, he's going to turn > to the college student with a pleading look in his eye and ask them > which 3D program to buy. Ask any young budding graphics artist who learned with all Amiga stuff and is now looking for a job as an artist. They get hired if they have experience with the applications that the employer currently uses. Showing this prospective employer all the cool stuff they created with Imagine and Brilliance _rarely_ gets them in the door. If this guy's fantasy were true, there would be LOTS more Amigas in use in non-video related graphics fields. -- ,-------------------------------------------------------, / John Crookshank johnc@mcs.com / ( MicroTech Solutions, Inc. ( \ http://www.mcs.net/~johnc/www/MicroTech.html \ `-------------------------------------------------------` From shf@netcom.com Tue Jun 13 22:18:57 PDT 1995 Article: 7189 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7189 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:290 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Path: netcom.com!shf From: shf@netcom.com (Stuart Ferguson) Subject: Re: LW4.0 Amiga, Modeler Video Modes Message-ID: Organization: The Blue Planet References: <3ripnd$g55@maureen.teleport.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 18:54:40 GMT Lines: 12 Sender: shf@netcom7.netcom.com +-- Darren Metcalfe writes: | Do I stand a chance of getting Modeler to operate correctly on a | CyberGraphics screen? The new Modeler is smarter than ever before about the display database and mode promotion. If you provide a screen mode that can support at least 16 colors, Modeler should be able to use it. I have never tried a CyberGraphics display, however, so I can make no guarantee. -- Stuart Ferguson (shf@netcom.com) "How do you compute that? Where on the graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?" From mmower@novell.com Tue Jun 13 22:19:45 PDT 1995 Article: 7190 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com rec.video.desktop:6633 rec.video.production:23204 rec.video:77301 comp.sys.amiga.marketplace:52462 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:291 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7190 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!news.provo.novell.com!usenet From: mmower@novell.com (YourNameHere) Newsgroups: rec.video.desktop,rec.video.production,rec.video,comp.sys.amiga.marketplace,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: A4000/Toaster price reduced WITH E-mail address! Date: 13 Jun 1995 18:19:07 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3rkkqr$1kf@grok.provo.Novell.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.65.73.34 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 Sorry! My name and e-mail address didn't come through on the last post of this message. Hi All, This is a repost of an earlier message, however the price has been lowered by about 12%! I am Asking $4000 plus shipping and COD. Please respond via E-mail to Matt at "MMOWER@NOVELL.COM" I am selling the following items as a "bundle": ************************************************************************** Amiga A4000 040 25Mhz Buster -11 Rev 3.1 A3640 (040 card) 16 Megs Fast RAM 2 Megs Chip RAM 2- 420 Meg Conner Hard drives ( Nearly full of stuff) Toaster4000 Ver 3.5 software The following software is included: Directory Opus, Inovatronics Interchange Plus, Syndesis Pixel 3D, Axiom AnimWorkshop, Axiom WaveMaker 1.0, Axiom ADPro 2.5, Elastic Reality Morph+, Elastic Reality GigaMem, Inovatronics ImageMaster RT, Black Belt Sytems Imagine 3.0, Impulse Forge, Apex Essence vol I, Apex Essence vol II, Apex ************************************************************************** From shf@netcom.com Tue Jun 13 22:19:36 PDT 1995 Article: 7191 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7191 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!shf From: shf@netcom.com (Stuart Ferguson) Subject: Re: Transfering AMIGA<>PC LW Scenes Message-ID: Organization: The Blue Planet References: <3qvroe$jvn@anshar.shadow.net> <3rk1gc$g23@anshar.shadow.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:07:41 GMT Lines: 17 Sender: shf@netcom7.netcom.com laz@anshar.shadow.net (Lazaro Freire) writes: | John Gross (jgross@netcom.com) wrote: | : With the final release, LightWave will allow for a "content directory" | | Well, that does sound like a great feature. I have one questiong though.. | Are the scene script files the same on both platforms? If there are snall | differences such as the slashes, then the scene file will not read The final LightWave will translate slashes automatically. If the Amiga or Unix versions see a backslash in a path they will convert to forward slashes, and if the PC version sees a forward slash it will convert to backslashes. With this feature and the content directory, scene files are completely transparent across a network filesystem. -- Stuart Ferguson (shf@netcom.com) "How do you compute that? Where on the graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?" From ursamino@infi.net Tue Jun 13 22:19:47 PDT 1995 Article: 7192 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7192 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!usenet From: ursamino@infi.net (Sumner Bell) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: LW install trouble Date: 13 Jun 1995 19:15:47 GMT Organization: DLDS Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3rko53$of@lucy.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-jordyverril.infi.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6 Ok, I got my copy of lightwave today. When i got home, I ran into my computer room, slapped on the dongle, booted my computer and tried to install LightWave. It asked me if i wanted to install win32's. I already have them, but i decided to get it to put them on anyway. I went through all of the stuff, and it started to do the program. I waited a while, and when i was 97% done it said that it couldnt read a file from the cd rom. I repeatedly tried it, but it wouldnt work. I took out the cd, got any dust off that was there, and tried again, no dice. I quit the installation and did the whole thing over again. Same file, again. I looked at it in file manager. It was there, had a file size, but when i tried to copy it as a test, it said it couldn't find it. Any help appreciated. The file is E:\cont16\PSfonts\softmake\unitus.afm E-Mail Please. Thanks, joe From jasper.7@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Tue Jun 13 22:18:25 PDT 1995 Article: 7193 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7193 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!slip2-33.acs.ohio-state.edu!jasper.7 From: jasper.7@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Jasper) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: PCs - i`m sick of hearing about `em!! Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:33:38 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <3qllf5$5f0@dux.dundee.ac.uk> <3qnhig$qgh@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3qtg79$157a@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> <3qupf6$n84@everest.pinn.net> <3rjtjr$8k0@Tandem.CAM.ORG> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip2-33.acs.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] > Altho the only >chance for the amiga platform to survive is a good move when changing to >riscs... because INNTEL's 8088 crap is about to end and they'll have to >go to something new, maybe next PC's will be PPC stsandar, in that case >amiga will be able to run PC shit just as fast as EMPLANT mac does for >macintrash... so yeah amiga users can run photoshop, who cares about a >10k$ powerflop? Actually it will probably be the RISC86 designs from Intel which will become standard. They will be RISC chips with x86 compatibility. Also there is the K5 and M1 chips from Cyrix and AMD which are faster than Pentiums at the same clock speed. I like the sounds of PPC running NT myself. >I own a 486DX4-100 and Amiga2000/040-36mhz.. I use the amiga more often, >the pc can offer speed, but the oS ar so lame that it's not a pleasure to >work on those things, especially when you tasted amigaOS.. You need to try NT or 95(6), I run Win 95 and love it to death, easier than the Mac OS and it is more powerful. NT is by far the most powerful OS for the PC now, but you have to have a pretty beasty machine to make it work well. Jeff From fusion@netcom.com Tue Jun 13 22:19:31 PDT 1995 Article: 7194 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7194 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!fusion From: fusion@netcom.com (Fusion Films) Subject: Re: DPS Perception Question: Video editing Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3rjla7$353@stud.Direct.CA> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 21:29:46 GMT Lines: 33 Sender: fusion@netcom5.netcom.com James Macleod (jmacleod@Direct.CA) wrote: : A friend of mine was thinking of buying a DVision for off line editing. : He wants to load on say 10 hours of low rez crappy quality, edit down to 30 minutes : and then have the card fetch it off the deck at full quality put it together and : output it at full quality. There is no way he can afford to buy 90GB of HD space : to put it all on at full quality. : Does the software do this and create and EDL? I think EDL is the right letters. Edit list? : I would guess it would do it with time code and a serial port. We are setting up the exact system that you are talking about. A Pentium with a Perception card and Razor Pro. From what I understand, the version of Razor for the Perception will do EDL's no problem. The really good news is that it supposedly will be able to do batch digitizing. This means that you can digitize your footage at low-res, edit it and then have Razor re-digitize the final product at high-res. You just need a deck that has serial control. Paul Griswold -- 35mm Prod. #### # # #### ### ## # # #### ### # # # #### D1 Compositing # # # # # # # ## # # # # ## ## # Music Videos ## # # #### # # # # ## ### # # # # # #### Special FX # # # # # # # # ## # # # # # # Avid Editing # ## #### ### ## # # # ### #### # # #### From stuarth@pads.com Tue Jun 13 22:19:50 PDT 1995 Article: 7195 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7195 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news From: stuarth@pads.com (Stuart Hoskins) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: who is DPS Date: 13 Jun 1995 20:47:03 GMT Organization: PADS Software, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3rktg7$5ua@padsdns.pads.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wintermute.pads.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 I've read a lot about DPS and the PAR, PVR products, but can anyone tell me what exactlly these products do, and or how I can get more info. on them? These cards sound like something I'd like to have!! I've just got 4.0pre for Intel, on my Dual 90Mhz, 128Mb RAM system, it's PCI/EISA, so I think I need the PVR, but I can't find a web site, or tel. # for DPS anywhere!! Can anyone turn on the light for me? Thanks. Stuart From jonas.karlsson@atb.ct.se Tue Jun 13 22:18:43 PDT 1995 Article: 7196 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7196 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!uop!pacbell.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.Stanford.EDU!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!mn5.swip.net!mn6.swip.net!seunet!mn3.swip.net!cindy!cindy.ct.se!atb!jonas.karlsson From: jonas.karlsson@atb.ct.se (Jonas Karlsson) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Lightwave a ray tracer? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 95 19:03:00 +0200 Sender: news@ct.se Reply-To: jonas.karlsson@atb.ct.se In-Reply-To: Bill Ainsworth's message References: <3ric6a$lg2@netaxs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Spot 1.3a Unregistered X-Mailer: uugate 0.40 (SunOS 4.1.3) (Fidonet Gateway) Organization: Guess where Bill Gates got *Microsoft* from! Lines: 21 In a message of 12 Jun 95 Bill Ainsworth wrote to All: BA> From: wha@netaxs.com (Bill Ainsworth) BA> Does Lightwave do true ray tracing for realistic glass reflections, BA> etc. Thanks in advance. *YES*, why wouldn't it? ___________________ _ / ---------- /\_ /_/ ---------- /\_/| This Amiga 4000 /_/ ---------- /\_/|/ Is USR Courier 28800 DS /_/__________________/\_/|/ Pure 18 Mb Memory /_/ Fido 2:203/602.69 \_/|/ Amiga 540 Mb HD |_| Jonte@cyber.ct.se |_|/ Power PhonePAK and MFC III \___________________/| CD-Rom 4X |||||||||||||||||||| ( UUCP Dialup connection ) From 72620.1654@CompuServe.COM Tue Jun 13 22:19:54 PDT 1995 Article: 7197 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7197 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Don Peterson <72620.1654@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Alpha Chip & NT? Date: 13 Jun 1995 21:47:34 GMT Organization: DeskStation Technology, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3rl11m$9f5$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> References: <3r92ol$n7q@island.amtsgi.bc.ca> My mistake. I should have said we have the only Windows NT workstation using the 300Mhz 21164. Don -- Don Peterson DeskStation Technology "Where the Raptor was born" From tom@bus.olemiss.edu Tue Jun 13 22:19:41 PDT 1995 Article: 7198 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7198 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!nntp.msstate.edu!johnsonp.bus.olemiss.edu!tom From: tom@bus.olemiss.edu (Tom Coleman) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: return code 212,LW failed initialization Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 17:39:02 Organization: Univ of Mississippi Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: johnsonp.bus.olemiss.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Is this sudden problem with LW and LM not starting a dongle problem? I have only encountered it yesterday; both were running fine. thanks T.C. From bdupras@bert.eecs.uic.edu Tue Jun 13 22:17:51 PDT 1995 Article: 7199 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:295 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7199 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csusac!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!hermes.oc.com!news.unt.edu!bert From: bdupras@bert.eecs.uic.edu (TheTruth) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW Dongle Date: Tue, 13 Jun 95 22:21:04 GMT Organization: The.Truth.Com Lines: 36 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <3rl6ds$14e@hermes.acs.unt.edu> References: <3rf7s9$93s@lucy.infi.net> <3rho8b$bm2@news.globalone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: jove.acs.unt.edu X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 In article , bhood@netcom.com (robert hood) wrote: >In the full release of 4.0, I would encourage NewTek to do as another >poster suggested and allow mutiple machines to render at the same time. >(i.e. without the need for a dongle). The scene I was rendering took >over 8 hours to render. In that time, all other portions of LightWave >(i.e. Modeller) were completely unusable (even on my other machine). >I'd even be willing to pay a small licensing fee for a second dongle >simply to use modeller while layout is rendering! Were I doing this >professionally (someday =|^), that would have been eight hours of >unproductivity, and that would have been unacceptable. > >Thanks for the listen. > >Regards, >Bob I wonder if NewTek has considered a seperate render-only executable. A simple program that, when launched, brings up a dialog box with a file-finder, and maybe the rendering resolution controls. What I mean is, you'd model/lay-out/etc with your normal, dongled, registered LW. Now, you could take the scene file, the objects, images, etc and copy them to another computer with "RenderIt.exe". Double click "RenderIt", tell it what file you want to render, what resolution screen to render in, and maybe things like AntiAliasing ON/OFF, Tracing ON/OFF, StartFrame:__, EndFrame:__, and FrameStep:__. Very simple, very limited, and really dang cool. This "RenderIt" could be put on lots of computers without the need for networking or all that stuff. I s'pose this is a question for Stu since it seems he's the only NewTek employee that reads this group. Maybe John Foust or Lee S could tell us if this is a feesable thing for NewTek to do... Anyone? Brian Dupras From ursamino@infi.net Tue Jun 13 22:19:56 PDT 1995 Article: 7200 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7200 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!usenet From: ursamino@infi.net (Sumner Bell) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: LW Dongle Makes my printer Slow Date: 13 Jun 1995 23:24:25 GMT Organization: DLDS Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3rl6n9$epg@lucy.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-christine.infi.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6 Well, it does. I can imagine why, but, its really, really slow for a Bubble Jet printer. Like, it takes 45 seconds between lines. I also have my tape drive hooked up to the same LPT. If i change that,will it fix it, or will the hardware lock always make my printer crawl? Any E-Mail Appreciated thanks, joe From ursamino@infi.net Tue Jun 13 22:19:57 PDT 1995 Article: 7201 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7201 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!usenet From: ursamino@infi.net (Sumner Bell) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Opening Scene Files? Help! Date: 13 Jun 1995 23:28:44 GMT Organization: DLDS Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3rl6vc$epg@lucy.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-christine.infi.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6 Yup, another problem. Whenever i try to open one of the scenes i got from the CD, it gives me this error: Win32 Error Unhandled Exception Detected (code:0Xc0000005 Lightwav.exe:46660) i dont get it when i open one of the scenes i created. Any help appreciated E-Mail Appreciated THanks, joe From johnc@MCS.COM Tue Jun 13 22:18:59 PDT 1995 Article: 7202 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7202 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: johnc@MCS.COM (John Crookshank) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW4.0 Amiga, Modeler Video Modes Date: 13 Jun 1995 17:26:22 -0500 Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3rl3ae$ohd@Venus.mcs.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.mcs.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.0 (SOUP) *UNREGISTERED* >+-- Darren Metcalfe writes: >| Do I stand a chance of getting Modeler to operate correctly on a >| CyberGraphics screen? >The new Modeler is smarter than ever before about the display database >and mode promotion. If you provide a screen mode that can support at >least 16 colors, Modeler should be able to use it. I have never tried >a CyberGraphics display, however, so I can make no guarantee. >-- > Stuart Ferguson (shf@netcom.com) > "How do you compute that? Where on the > graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?" This is a reply. -- ,-------------------------------------------------------, / John Crookshank johnc@mcs.com / ( MicroTech Solutions, Inc. ( \ http://www.mcs.net/~johnc/www/MicroTech.html \ `-------------------------------------------------------` From animprod@gil.ipswichcity.qld.gov.au Tue Jun 13 22:19:59 PDT 1995 Article: 7203 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7203 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!iccu6!cs1p10.ipswichcity.qld.gov.au!animprod From: animprod@gil.ipswichcity.qld.gov.au (Animation Productions) Subject: LWpc - Not saving & VM Sender: news@ipswichcity.qld.gov.au Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 02:45:01 GMT Lines: 27 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: cs1p10.ipswichcity.qld.gov.au Organization: Global Infolinks Internet Server, Ipswich Qld Australia X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Recently purchasing LW4.0 pre release I've incountered a couple of strange occurances and was wondering if abybody could share some light on them. Using a DX66-WIn3.1 & 32MB ram:- 1. When rendering the "Blade" sequence that comes on the cd-rom, turning of traced shadows & motion blur, 6.5MB segment rendering, and in PAL res, I left my computer on overnight. returning the next morning it was up to frame 26 & I decided to transfer these to PAR for a quick squiz on how it looks. It only saved 3 frames! I DID NOT press F9 to render the sequence, (ie. not saving frames)... So what's up!. is it virtual memory, I have 32MB RAM! which brings me to the next problem. (I must not that I have succesfully rendered my own animations with no problems.) 2. I know Windows PC is a funny old beast (why can an amiga run windows & have TRUE multitasking, even on a machine bought in 1988!), why is it that with a perminent 20MB swap file (on top of 32MB ram) in the lightwave scene menu I get told I have 100+ MB of page ram? is this my solution to problem number 1.? Is the PC swaping out on the blade scene, using up all my hard drive space as well and not allowing me to save images? (130+ MB RAM to render blade - really) not to mention I still have hundreds of MB's of hard drive space after 100 MB swap. Any help would be much appreciated! Geoff Suttor. From Rbaldwin@origin.ea.com Tue Jun 13 22:16:39 PDT 1995 Article: 7204 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7204 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!origin.ea.com!newsmaster From: Robert Baldwin Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Specs On CD Cover Res Date: 14 Jun 1995 02:28:17 GMT Organization: Those wacky Ultima Geeks at Origin Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3rlhg1$3tn@studio.origin.ea.com> References: <3r2ml7$jtq@flood.xnet.com> <3r4b48$r97@metro.atlanta.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rbaldwin.origin.ea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) Some people seem to forget that most print jobs rely more on 'lpi' than dpi. LPI is 'lines per inch' and most high quality work runs at 150 lpi or sometimes 266 lpi. most magazines (but not WiReD, they use a higher one) use 133 lpi. Reasoning behind all this nonsense has to do with how fast a machine can print an accurate image at the desired number of pages per minute... which is why you sometimes see a section of a magazine (such as Popular Science) in black and white. Trust me, when you're printing a magazine as long as PS has been around, it's gigantic circulation, and copious amount of advertising, they could definately have more color. So, what I'm really saying, is, find out what lpi the job will be printed at, and try to have your image at least 2x that setting. Where the dpi gets involved is on resolution per line of print - the rule of thumb is to go by 2x here as well, but anywhere from 1.1x to 1.5x will usually result in a happy happy joy joy image on paper. Of course if they decide to use stochastic printing, then none of this means a damn thing... From rbaldwin@origin.ea.com Tue Jun 13 22:20:03 PDT 1995 Article: 7205 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7205 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:299 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!news2.near.net!news3.near.net!transfer.stratus.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!origin.ea.com!newsmaster From: Robert Baldwin Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW student pricing? Date: 14 Jun 1995 02:43:19 GMT Organization: Those Wacky Ultima Geeks at Origin Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3rlic7$3tn@studio.origin.ea.com> References: <3qmq4h$fo3@news.globalone.net> <3qvp7m$eh2@darwin.nbnet.nb.ca> <3r1mob$p99@carrera.inc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rbaldwin.origin.ea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) Um, if time is money, and we keep talking about this whole student pricing thing much longer, we might as well just give all the students that want LW the paltry US$900 that LW is gonna cost 'em.... LightWave is good. US$900 is cheap. 'Nuff said. From edwardr@io.org Sat Jun 17 11:13:32 PDT 1995 Article: 7206 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7206 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!uop!pacbell.com!ames!hookup!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!skypoint.com!news3.mr.net!mr.net!winternet.com!io.org!nobody From: edwardr@io.org (Edward Ronquillo) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Toaster Mailing List Date: 13 Jun 1995 22:40:26 -0400 Organization: Internex Online (Data: 363-3783/Telnet: io.org) Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3rli6q$3pp@ionews.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: bonk.io.org Hi everybody! I know I can't ask Video Toaster questions here, so I'm looking for the Video Toaster mailing list. If anyone has the email address for this mailing list, please leave me a message. edwardr@io.org From erniew@access5.digex.net Sat Jun 17 11:13:37 PDT 1995 Article: 7207 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7207 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:303 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!news3.digex.net!access5.digex.net!erniew From: Ernie Wright Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Specs On CD Cover Res Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 01:29:29 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, USA Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3r2ml7$jtq@flood.xnet.com> <3r4b48$r97@metro.atlanta.com> <3rlhg1$3tn@studio.origin.ea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: access5.digex.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3rlhg1$3tn@studio.origin.ea.com> Robert Baldwin wrote: > Some people seem to forget that most print jobs rely more on 'lpi' > than dpi. ... > Of course if they decide to use stochastic printing, then none of > this means a damn thing... In the context of printing, "lpi" usually refers to the spacing of the lines on a halftone screen, which is almost always rotated with respect to horizontal and vertical in the image. There are lots of special- effects screens with non-grid patterns--a familiar example uses con- centric rings. Not being a printer, I wouldn't want to guess what a given halftone spacing implies about the required pixel resolution of the source, so my question remains: If the size of the printed image is known, why wouldn't a printer who accepts digital artwork be able to tell me what pixel resolution he needs? Why am I supposed to know that? - Ernie From Jeric@cup.portal.com Sat Jun 17 11:13:47 PDT 1995 Article: 7208 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7208 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!svc.portal.com!portal.com!cup.portal.com!Jeric From: Jeric@cup.portal.com (J Eric Chard) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: PCs - i`m sick of hearing about `em!! Date: 14 Jun 1995 00:20:05 -0700 Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 19 Sender: pccop@unix.portal.com Message-ID: <140561@cup.portal.com> References: <3qllf5$5f0@dux.dundee.ac.uk> <3qnhig$qgh@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3qtg79$157a@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> <3qupf6$n84@everest.pinn.net> <3rjtjr$8k0@Tandem.CAM.ORG> NNTP-Posting-Host: news1.unix.portal.com >Erm.. Amigas with 060 will be comparable to pentiums, WITHOUT math >errors, and if Escom can make a 4000/060-50mhz not too expensive (as in >pentium120mhz) it would be probably okay to buy an amiga. IF Escom redesigns the A4000 so that it doesn't have that well know memory crock that REDUCES the speed of the cpu well below practical limits. Thats why I never got an A4000. **************************************************************************** * (OOOOO) Jeric@cup.portal.com | Synergy Graphix & Animation * * (OOOOOOO) Welcome to Seattle! | Film and Video Productions * * /////// Have a latte'! |Technical Subjects Our Specialty! * * /////// Or else! | * * **************************************************************************** From wfp@tiac.net Sat Jun 17 11:13:43 PDT 1995 Article: 7209 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com ne.org.bcs:952 bcs.groups:22 bcs.misc:41 ne.seminars:1185 comp.text.desktop:7034 comp.publish.prepress:7370 comp.fonts:27150 alt.aldus.pagemaker:11237 alt.soft-sys.corel.draw:7013 comp.graphics:74040 comp.graphics.packages.alias:3038 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7209 comp.graphics.rendering.renderman:835 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:2996 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!info.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!usenet From: wfp@tiac.net (William F Phillips) Newsgroups: ne.org.bcs,bcs.groups,bcs.misc,ne.seminars,comp.text.desktop,comp.publish.prepress,comp.fonts,alt.aldus.pagemaker,alt.corel.graphics,comp.graphics,comp.graphics.packages.alias,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.rendering.renderman,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: Reminder: Boston Computer Society DTP & Graphics June Events Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 06:47:48 GMT Organization: ShoeString Projects, Cambridge, MA Lines: 68 Message-ID: <3rm0mp$11i@sundog.tiac.net> References: <3qd41a$bvs@sundog.tiac.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: wfp.tiac.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 :--------------------------------------------------------------------------- :Graphics Roundtable :Wednesday, June 14 at 7:00 p.m. :Desktop Publishing & Graphics Group :Got something you want to get off your chest? 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Hear about the latest products from HP. :For more information: David Field (508) 346-9401 :MIT, Building E-51, room 144, Cambridge, MA :--------------------------------------------------------------------------- :What's Up at AGFA? :Wednesday, June 28 at 7:00 p.m. :Desktop Publishing Prepress and Professional :Agfa's scanners and image setters are shaped just north of Boston. :Come and :hear a representative talk about the latest developments from the :company. :For more information: David Field (508) 346-9401 :MIT, Building E-51, room 144, Cambridge, MA :-------------------------------------------------------------------------- : ___ ___ _ | Bill Phillips : (/__) . /) /) (/__) /_ . /) /) . _ _ | ShoeString Projects : /__) (__(__(___ / / )_(__(__(__(_ /_)_/_)_ | DTP Graphic Design : ( ( ( | Computer Consulting : wfp@tiac.net ___ ___ _ | Bill Phillips (/__) . /) /) (/__) /_ . /) /) . _ _ | ShoeString Projects /__) (__(__(___ / / )_(__(__(__(_ /_)_/_)_ | DTP Graphic Design ( ( ( | Computer Consulting From luiten@nmsd.telecom.com.au Sat Jun 17 11:13:29 PDT 1995 Article: 7210 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7210 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:304 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csulb.edu!info.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!wabbit.cc.uow.edu.au!news.tansu.com.au!mail_gw.fwall.telecom.com.au!cdn_mail.telecom.com.au!nmsd!luiten From: luiten@nmsd.telecom.com.au (Robin Luiten) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Comment on Lightwave anti-aliasing Followup-To: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Date: 13 Jun 1995 00:45:48 GMT Organization: ITG Network Performance Management, Telecom Australia Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3rin3s$oms@cdn_mail.telecom.com.au> References: <3qu8ng$24l@cdn_mail.telecom.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: trantor.qld.design.telecom.com.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Ernie Wright (erniew@access4.digex.net) wrote: : [ stuff deleted ] : Single-pass AA is a little like that. In order to do AA, LW needs more : information than it can get by rendering just the center of each pixel. : LW needs to know the RGB values at several points on each pixel, and the : only way to get that information is to make multiple rendering passes. Actually it is not necessary. They only need to sample more than once through each pixel in a single pass. Doing multiple passes adds a lot of overhead. In fact most renderers don't do multiple passes as it adds to much overhead. The only time most renders perform a second pass is for post processing effects e.g. 3DStudio renders the picture then post processes in whatever effects using there post processor plugins. This is still only two passes and 3DStudio has one of the nicest ant-aliasing around from the examples I've seen. The second pass can't be avoided for post-processing cases. [Though you could post process on a per scan line basis, I think] But the biggest problem with multiple passes in lightwave is that in the lens flare case the lens flares get re-rendered for each pass. The entire lens flare get re-rendered because lightwave looks to re-render all the stuff behind the lens flare from the previous pass then has to re-render it in this pass. Somewhat inefficient. -- _-_|\ r.luiten@nmsd.oz.au WORK: +61 7 837 3020 / * <- Network Performance Management (Telstra), \_.-._/ | Telecom East Tower Roma St, v +- Brisbane, Australia. From davewarner@globalone.net Sat Jun 17 11:13:16 PDT 1995 Article: 7211 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:307 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7211 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.globalone.net!shell.globalone.net!davewarner From: davewarner@globalone.net () Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW Dongle Followup-To: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Date: 14 Jun 1995 12:39:37 GMT Organization: Global One, Inc. Lines: 15 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <3rmla9$3en@news.globalone.net> References: <3rf7s9$93s@lucy.infi.net> <3rho8b$bm2@news.globalone.net> <3rl6ds$14e@hermes.acs.unt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.globalone.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] TheTruth (bdupras@bert.eecs.uic.edu) wrote: : I wonder if NewTek has considered a seperate render-only executable. A simple : program that, when launched, brings up a dialog box with a file-finder, and : maybe the rendering resolution controls. As far as I know, (which I don't) this is what NewTek has planned...I seem to recall reading a few things about render-only versions of LightWave that will run on a machine without the dongle, but it wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong. =) -- -David Warner Event Horizon Graphics From bhood@netcom.com Sat Jun 17 11:13:58 PDT 1995 Article: 7212 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7212 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!bhood From: bhood@netcom.com (robert hood) Subject: Re: LW install trouble Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3rko53$of@lucy.infi.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:56:09 GMT Lines: 42 Sender: bhood@netcom.netcom.com Sumner Bell (ursamino@infi.net) wrote: : Ok, I got my copy of lightwave today. When i got home, I ran into my : computer room, slapped on the dongle, booted my computer and tried to : install LightWave. It asked me if i wanted to install win32's. I already : have them, but i decided to get it to put them on anyway. I went through : all of the stuff, and it started to do the program. I waited a while, and : when i was 97% done it said that it couldnt read a file from the cd rom. : I repeatedly tried it, but it wouldnt work. I took out the cd, got any dust : off that was there, and tried again, no dice. I quit the installation and : did the whole thing over again. Same file, again. I looked at it in file : manager. It was there, had a file size, but when i tried to copy it as a : test, it said it couldn't find it. Any help appreciated. : The file is E:\cont16\PSfonts\softmake\unitus.afm : E-Mail Please. : Thanks, : joe I had the same problem, Joe, and I called NewTek support about it. It seems that they've had problems with some CD-ROM drives not being able to read certain files. This file is one of them. I was preparing to copy the entire CD-ROM to my hard drive to install from there, but the guy at tech support told me to simply run the installation program again without installing the PostScript fonts, and then manually copy them over from the CD-ROM once the remaining installation is complete. You won't get the Unitus font, but you will get everything installed. Hope this helps! Regards, ||| Bob ^(===)^ -------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------------------- Bob Hood | The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the Home: 303-980-8392 | unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world Work: 303-689-[2409]| to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the --------------------| unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw bhood@netcom.com |------------------------------------------------------- rbh@evolving.com | ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/bh/bhood/www/bhood.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From snafu@expert.cc.purdue.edu Sat Jun 17 11:14:00 PDT 1995 Article: 7213 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7213 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!not-for-mail From: snafu@expert.cc.purdue.edu (The Artist) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: what about hardware...? Date: 14 Jun 1995 09:31:49 -0500 Organization: Purdue University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3rmrsl$bdt@expert.cc.purdue.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: expert.cc.purdue.edu so, i've got the computer coming, i'm waiting for LW v4.0 for windows, and now i need to make the final decisions on hardware. my main interest of opinion is in everyone's video cards. right now, i'm not going to be albe to use my old Diamond viper, since i want to take advantage of my PCI slot (it's a 100Mhz Intel Pentium, endevor chipset) so, what card would people recommend. this machine isn't only a LW box, so i don't know if getting a card designed for 3D acceleration will hurt my WordPerfect performance, or not. anyone know more about this than i do? (that's an obvious answer...) eric snafu@expert.cc.purdue.edu From bhood@netcom.com Sat Jun 17 11:14:06 PDT 1995 Article: 7214 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7214 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!bhood From: bhood@netcom.com (robert hood) Subject: Surface annoyance Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:01:41 GMT Lines: 25 Sender: bhood@netcom.netcom.com I have a minor annoyance with Surfaces, and I can't seem to find an explanation in my manuals (or maybe I'm just not looking hard enough). I've modelled two objects, and specified surface names for each as I should. When I bring them into Layout, I assign surfaces to them (very simple surface colors from the 'rgb' and 'flat' directories). Then, after a few more scene adjustments, I save the scene. However, later, when I reload the scene, my objects are once again assigned the default surface color. I have to re-assign surfaces each time I load the scene. I know I'm doing something wrong, but what is it? Sorry for the newbie question, but I've only been using LW for about two weeks. Regards, ||| Bob ^(===)^ -------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------------------- Bob Hood | The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the Home: 303-980-8392 | unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world Work: 303-689-[2409]| to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the --------------------| unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw bhood@netcom.com |------------------------------------------------------- rbh@evolving.com | ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/bh/bhood/www/bhood.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From erniew@access2.digex.net Sat Jun 17 11:13:30 PDT 1995 Article: 7215 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7215 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:310 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!news3.digex.net!access2.digex.net!erniew From: Ernie Wright Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Comment on Lightwave anti-aliasing Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:07:37 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, USA Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <3qu8ng$24l@cdn_mail.telecom.com.au> <3rin3s$oms@cdn_mail.telecom.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: access2.digex.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3rin3s$oms@cdn_mail.telecom.com.au> Me: > ...the only way to get that information is to make multiple rendering > passes. Robin Luiten: > Actually it is not necessary. They only need to sample more than once > through each pixel in a single pass. Same thing. The original post implied that we could have anti-aliasing without oversampling. It sounded to me like, "I just rendered at low res and it was a lot faster--just think how fast LW could be if we didn't have to render all those pixels in med res!" Well, duh. What I'm beginning to understand, though, is that people think things like lens flares shouldn't be AA'd, which is at least worth discussing. > Doing multiple passes adds a lot of overhead. Unless we're still talking about excluding parts of the scene from AA, what overhead are you thinking about? - Ernie From syndesis@beta.inc.net Sat Jun 17 11:14:04 PDT 1995 Article: 7216 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7216 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!steve From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW Dongle Makes my printer Slow Date: 14 Jun 1995 15:01:21 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3rmtk1$3kh@carrera.inc.net> References: <3rl6n9$epg@lucy.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.95.160.215 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article <3rl6n9$epg@lucy.infi.net>, ursamino@infi.net (Sumner Bell) says: > >Well, it does. I can imagine why, but, its really, really slow for a >Bubble Jet printer. Like, it takes 45 seconds between lines. I also have >my tape drive hooked up to the same LPT. If i change that,will it fix it, >or will the hardware lock always make my printer crawl? 1. Did you call NewTek tech support? 2. How fast does it normally print under the same conditions? 3. The parallel port was not meant for expansion. :-) From syndesis@beta.inc.net Sat Jun 17 11:13:04 PDT 1995 Article: 7217 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:311 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7217 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!steve From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LOW Dangle Date: 14 Jun 1995 15:08:16 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3rmu10$3kh@carrera.inc.net> References: <3rf7s9$93s@lucy.infi.net> <3rho8b$bm2@news.globalone.net> <3rk4u2$20i@carrera.inc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.95.160.215 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article , rotor2av@netcom.com (Rotor) says: > >I have LW 3.5 Amiga, and plan on upgrading to 4.0, but REALLY NEWTEK, there are about a >gazillion better ways to protect software (especially on CD-ROM) without such an >inconvenience to the end-user!... >PS: IF ANYONE FROM NEWTEK READS THIS, 1) THE DONGLE DOES NOT STOP PIRACY. I'VE SEEN >BROKEN COPIES OF LW FLOATING AROUND. 2) I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME BETTER >SUGGESTIONS FOR PROTECTING YOUR SOFTWARE AS THAT'S WHAT I USED TO DO FOR A LIVING. 1. The dongle *does* stop piracy. 2. Oh, please share with us the "gadzillion" friendly methods for protecting software from pirates. From syndesis@beta.inc.net Sat Jun 17 11:13:17 PDT 1995 Article: 7218 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:312 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7218 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!steve From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW Dongle Date: 14 Jun 1995 15:14:16 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3rmuc8$3kh@carrera.inc.net> References: <3rf7s9$93s@lucy.infi.net> <3rho8b$bm2@news.globalone.net> <3rl6ds$14e@hermes.acs.unt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.95.160.215 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article <3rl6ds$14e@hermes.acs.unt.edu>, bdupras@bert.eecs.uic.edu (TheTruth) says: >I wonder if NewTek has considered a seperate render-only executable. A simple >program that, when launched, brings up a dialog box with a file-finder, and >maybe the rendering resolution controls. What I mean is, you'd >model/lay-out/etc with your normal, dongled, registered LW. I don't see how this would alleviate the dongle hassles, or avoid piracy. In fact, if I were NewTek, I'd worry more about someone developing an adjunct scene editor / conversion program in order to let people render LW-compatible scenes with this "RenderIt" program, sans dongle. What's that shareware 3D editor called, Vertex? It's hours-away from being an editor and scene generator for this proposed program. From keithc@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu. Sat Jun 17 11:13:46 PDT 1995 Article: 7219 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7219 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!darwin.sura.net!blaze.cs.jhu.edu!jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu!tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu!keithc From: keithc@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu. (Keith Christopher) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: PCs - i`m sick of hearing about `em!! Date: 14 Jun 1995 15:17:32 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3rmuic$3h2@jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu> References: <3qv3gf$d8g@News1.mcs.com> Reply-To: keithc@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu. NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.220.59.75 In article d8g@News1.mcs.com, Dan Ablan () writes: > >___________________________ >> >Mr. Lee Stranahan wrote: >> >LONG LIVE THE TRS-80!!!! >--------------------------- > > No way.. Mac 128K. > > DA I'm a betatester for Lightwave 4.0 sinclair. Yup I have a timex sinclair render farm, I had to deposit 20,000 to get my free 40 computers. heh. Keith From keithc@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu. Sat Jun 17 11:13:50 PDT 1995 Article: 7220 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7220 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!darwin.sura.net!blaze.cs.jhu.edu!jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu!tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu!keithc From: keithc@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu. (Keith Christopher) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: PCs - i`m sick of hearing about `em!! Date: 14 Jun 1995 15:20:08 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3rmun8$3h2@jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu> References: <3r06sb$rl7@stud.Direct.CA> Reply-To: keithc@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu. NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.220.59.75 Sure I love my amiga, however hits to the LW (waverider ) www site has doubled from 8 - 16000 in the last 4 months! in november of 94 I had less than 1000 hits! I'll post stats later today for the ftp and www site. Keith Christopher -- http://tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu -- From syndesis@beta.inc.net Sat Jun 17 11:13:59 PDT 1995 Article: 7221 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7221 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!steve From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW install trouble Date: 14 Jun 1995 15:05:34 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3rmtru$3kh@carrera.inc.net> References: <3rko53$of@lucy.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.95.160.215 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article <3rko53$of@lucy.infi.net>, ursamino@infi.net (Sumner Bell) says: > >I waited a while, and >when i was 97% done it said that it couldnt read a file from the cd rom. >I repeatedly tried it, but it wouldnt work. I took out the cd, got any dust >off that was there, and tried again, no dice. I quit the installation and >did the whole thing over again. Same file, again. I looked at it in file >manager. It was there, had a file size, but when i tried to copy it as a >test, it said it couldn't find it. Any help appreciated. Sounds like your CDROM drive isn't quite up to snuff, or that you have a slightly badly pressed CD, or both. Try: C> e: C> xcopy /s e:*.* NUL: and wait for error messages... From sjg@world.std.com Sat Jun 17 11:14:21 PDT 1995 Article: 7222 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7222 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!world!sjg From: sjg@world.std.com (Stephen J Gaudet) Subject: Nekotech is shipping LW 4.0 w/ systems Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:40:53 GMT Lines: 20 Hello LW users I'm pleased to announce we are now shipping LightWave 4.0 on our Alpha line of systems. Please contact me for full details. Thank you, Steve +1-603-926-0300 ___________________________________________________________________ | Stephen Gaudet | Manufacture of Digital Alpha based | | NekoTech / Inco | systems w/ PCI running NT, OSF/1 & VMS | | 102 Tide Mill Rd Suite 6 | speeds ranging from 166 to 289MHz. | | Hampton, NH 03842-2705 |----------------------------------------| | ph:800-635-6895 fax:603-926-0301 e-mail:sjg@world.std.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------- Mach II-289MHz, fastest single processor running NT, Byte, March issue. From des_mcpherson@cl_63smtp_gw.chinalake.navy.mil Sat Jun 17 11:13:55 PDT 1995 Article: 7223 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7223 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!newshub.nosc.mil!news!avalon.chinalake.navy.mil!usenet From: Des McPherson Subject: Re: LW install trouble Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-ID: Sender: usenet@avalon.chinalake.navy.mil (NAWS news admin) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: NAWS, China Lake, CA References: <3rko53$of@lucy.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:01:05 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1b3 (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-Url: news:3rko53$of@lucy.infi.net Lines: 7 I also got the same error when installing off the CD rom. I think I just kept hitting "continue" or "cancel" or whatever a few dozen times and it finally broke out of the error message and continued with the rest of the install. I figure 1 font out of 1 million would hardly be noticed if it were missing. From bhood@netcom.com Sat Jun 17 11:13:06 PDT 1995 Article: 7224 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:313 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7224 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!bhood From: bhood@netcom.com (robert hood) Subject: Re: LOW Dangle Message-ID: Followup-To: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3rf7s9$93s@lucy.infi.net> <3rho8b$bm2@news.globalone.net> <3rk4u2$20i@carrera.inc.net> <3rmu10$3kh@carrera.inc.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:01:49 GMT Lines: 32 Sender: bhood@netcom.netcom.com John Foust (syndesis@beta.inc.net) wrote: : In article , rotor2av@netcom.com (Rotor) says: : > : >I have LW 3.5 Amiga, and plan on upgrading to 4.0, but REALLY NEWTEK, there are about a : >gazillion better ways to protect software (especially on CD-ROM) without such an : >inconvenience to the end-user!... : >PS: IF ANYONE FROM NEWTEK READS THIS, 1) THE DONGLE DOES NOT STOP PIRACY. I'VE SEEN : >BROKEN COPIES OF LW FLOATING AROUND. 2) I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME BETTER : >SUGGESTIONS FOR PROTECTING YOUR SOFTWARE AS THAT'S WHAT I USED TO DO FOR A LIVING. : 1. The dongle *does* stop piracy. Look, I don't want to get into a religious war here, but there are only two things that really stop software piracy: 1. Lack of technical skill 2. A conscience There is *no* 100% effective software protection scheme. It is purely chimera put forth by those who are in the business of selling that protection in the first place. Regards, ||| Bob ^(===)^ -------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------------------- Bob Hood | The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the Home: 303-980-8392 | unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world Work: 303-689-[2409]| to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the --------------------| unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw bhood@netcom.com |------------------------------------------------------- rbh@evolving.com | ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/bh/bhood/www/bhood.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From keithc@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu. Sat Jun 17 11:13:35 PDT 1995 Article: 7225 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7225 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!Sunserver.insinc.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!lamarck.sura.net!darwin.sura.net!blaze.cs.jhu.edu!jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu!tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu!keithc From: keithc@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu. (Keith Christopher) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Babylon 5 Station Date: 14 Jun 1995 15:23:33 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3rmutl$3h2@jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu> References: <0C7D99A0@talshiar.pp.se> Reply-To: keithc@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu. NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.220.59.75 I facsimilie of it is on the tomahawk ftp site in /pub/LW/objects it is called b5statn.lha Keith From jalberty@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu Sat Jun 17 11:14:22 PDT 1995 Article: 7226 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7226 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.uoknor.edu!ucsvax!jalberty From: jalberty@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: shutting down? Date: 14 Jun 95 11:07:15 CDT Organization: University of Oklahoma. (USA) Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1995Jun14.110715.1@ucsvax> NNTP-Posting-Host: aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu when is this newsgroup going to be shut down so that everyone moves to the new one? it's getting to be a pain following two newsgroups at once and having to read duplicate msgs.... :( AC From shf@netcom.com Sat Jun 17 11:13:20 PDT 1995 Article: 7227 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:314 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7227 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!shf From: shf@netcom.com (Stuart Ferguson) Subject: Re: LW Dongle Message-ID: Organization: The Blue Planet References: <3rf7s9$93s@lucy.infi.net> <3rho8b$bm2@news.globalone.net> <3rl6ds$14e@hermes.acs.unt.edu> Distribution: inet Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:57:05 GMT Lines: 30 Sender: shf@netcom5.netcom.com +-- bdupras@bert.eecs.uic.edu (TheTruth) writes: | In article , bhood@netcom.com (robert hood) wrote: | >In the full release of 4.0, I would encourage NewTek to do as another | >poster suggested and allow mutiple machines to render at the same time. | | I wonder if NewTek has considered a seperate render-only executable. | Brian Dupras As I understand the current marketing plan, when you get 4.0 for X platform, you also get ScreamerNet for X as well. So if you buy the Intel version of LightWave you will get a ScreamerNet module for Intel using ScreamerNet mark 2 protocol. This module is a render-only version of LightWave designed to be operate over a network and can be run without any hardware protection. With the basic package the dongled version of LightWave is run as the scheduler and it can control up to 1000 ScreamerNet nodes with very little system overhead. This leaves that machine relatively free to do modeling or other tasks. Multiple scenes can be queued to render sequentially for those long weekend renders. The mark 2 protocol has been specifically designed to allow for third-party schedulers, so those will probably be available soon and can free your main machine entirely. ScreamerNet II requires a network file system. ScreamerNet I, which is still supported both by the scheduler and the render modules, requires only FTP. Windows-based ScreamerNet modules must run on WinNT. -- Stuart Ferguson (shf@netcom.com) "How do you compute that? Where on the graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?" From shf@netcom.com Sat Jun 17 11:14:23 PDT 1995 Article: 7228 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7228 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!shf From: shf@netcom.com (Stuart Ferguson) Subject: Re: return code 212,LW failed initialization Message-ID: Organization: The Blue Planet References: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:04:03 GMT Lines: 9 Sender: shf@netcom5.netcom.com +-- tom@bus.olemiss.edu (Tom Coleman) writes: | Is this sudden problem with LW and LM not starting a dongle problem? I have | only encountered it yesterday; both were running fine. 212 is a dongle problem, yes. -- Stuart Ferguson (shf@netcom.com) "How do you compute that? Where on the graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?" From ehoffman@iac.net Sat Jun 17 11:14:24 PDT 1995 Article: 7229 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7229 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.intercon.com!news.iac.net!news.iac.net!not-for-mail From: ehoffman@iac.net (Ed Hoffmann) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: who is DPS Date: 14 Jun 1995 13:12:51 -0400 Organization: Internet Access Cincinnati 513-887-8877 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3rn5aj$efs@little-miami.iac.net> References: <3rktg7$5ua@padsdns.pads.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: little-miami.iac.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Stuart Hoskins (stuarth@pads.com) wrote: : I've read a lot about DPS and the PAR, PVR products, but can anyone tell : me what exactlly these products do, and or how I can get more info. on : them? These cards sound like something I'd like to have!! : I've just got 4.0pre for Intel, on my Dual 90Mhz, 128Mb RAM system, it's : PCI/EISA, so I think I need the PVR, but I can't find a web site, or tel. : # for DPS anywhere!! : Can anyone turn on the light for me? : Stuart Try www.dps-inc.com (or ftp.dps-inc.com). DPS is Digitial Processing Systems. Tha PAR is the Personal Animation Recorder, which started life on the Amiga and found it's wasy to the PC. It is a JPEG compression hardware solution to recording/playing back true NTSC video from a hard drive dedicated to the PAR. The modern single frame controller for animators, if you will. The PVR (also called the Perception board) is a grown up PAR for NT, with much better resolution, transfer rates, etc. Check the FAQs at their site. PVR will be released end of June, they say. Disclaimer: Not an employee, just a satisfied user, doo-dah, doo-dah... -- ------------------------------------ my sig! ------------------------------ | I brew the beer I drink! # This sig has been cruelly | | Try the Ohio Valley Amiga Users Group # tested on furry little animals. | | home page --> http://www.ovaug.org # http://iac.net/~ehoffman | From stranahan@aol.com Sat Jun 17 11:13:21 PDT 1995 Article: 7230 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:315 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7230 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW Dongle Date: 14 Jun 1995 13:42:33 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3rn729$7ut@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3rl6ds$14e@hermes.acs.unt.edu> Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I s'pose this is a question for Stu since it seems he's the only NewTek employee that reads this group. Maybe John Foust or Lee S could tell us if this is a feesable thing for NewTek to do... ---------------------- Feasible? Sure..now, WHEN would you like LightWave to ship? _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan From glynw@cix.compulink.co.uk Sat Jun 17 11:13:48 PDT 1995 Article: 7231 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7231 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!btnet!news.compulink.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: glynw@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Glyn Williams") Subject: Re: PCs - i`m sick of hearing about `em!! Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange References: <3rjtjr$8k0@Tandem.CAM.ORG> Distribution: world Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 19:28:15 GMT X-News-Software: Ameol32 Lines: 15 I am a PC user, but I would have liked to see the Amiga survive. Diverse products are good for the entire industry. >From the sounds of things Escom's priorities will not be with the Amiga as a high-end multimedia product. They have acquired the intellectual property rights of Commodore to gain access to the bottom end of the Market. Escom are big in the PC world - what they want is a low-end machine for families who can't afford a PC. That machine is the Amiga 600. They are also interested in developing the 3rd World and Chinese domestic marketplace. Enter the Commodore 64. No press announcement I have read would lead me to believe that a super top end Amiga is in the offing. I hope that I am wrong. Glyn Williams From bhood@netcom.com Sat Jun 17 11:13:23 PDT 1995 Article: 7232 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:318 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7232 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!bhood From: bhood@netcom.com (robert hood) Subject: Re: LW Dongle Message-ID: Followup-To: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3rl6ds$14e@hermes.acs.unt.edu> <3rn729$7ut@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 20:46:23 GMT Lines: 28 Sender: bhood@netcom.netcom.com Stranahan (stranahan@aol.com) wrote: : I s'pose this is a question for Stu since it seems he's the only NewTek : employee that reads this group. Maybe John Foust or Lee S could tell us : if : this is a feesable thing for NewTek to do... : ---------------------- : Feasible? Sure..now, WHEN would you like LightWave to ship? Certainly it is a trade-off, but I'd be perfectly willing to wait for such an enhancement. Something like that would increase my personal productivity many-fold, unlike a new glow bell or flare whistle that would make my pictures look a lot nicer. I think it falls in the realm of "better tools" instead of "more features," and it seems to me that better tools are *always* accepted with more patients than are more features. Just MHO. Regards, ||| Bob ^(===)^ -------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------------------- Bob Hood | The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the Home: 303-980-8392 | unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world Work: 303-689-[2409]| to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the --------------------| unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw bhood@netcom.com |------------------------------------------------------- rbh@evolving.com | ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/bh/bhood/www/bhood.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Brady@desktopimages.com Sat Jun 17 11:14:33 PDT 1995 Article: 7233 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7233 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:319 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: Brady Caverly Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave, Subject: Re: Study with Ron Thornton! What do you want to learn? Date: 14 Jun 1995 20:39:23 GMT Organization: Desktop Images Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3rnhdr$6ct@news.primenet.com> References: <3qvdr1$skk@news.primenet.com> <9506090040.AA000cy@imc-a1.demon.co.uk> <3rhvtg$8u4@news.primenet.com> <3rj4r8$2nh@news5.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip022.lax.primenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) rishna@primenet.com (Glenn Saunders) wrote: >Not sure if there is enough interest for a title that specific. > > >Not only that, but starfield/nebulas and planets. Effective suns (the >opening flare crankdown screwup in B5 shows that it isn't as easy as it >seems, at least with 3.5). Good suggestions. Adding them to the list. Also toying with the idea of a tape on mattes and background painting. Anybody interested in that? >If it covers the IK in LW 4.0 that would be useful. You can definately count on a tape featuring inverse kinematics. We'll probably wait for the final release. Thanks for your comments. -- Brady Caverly Instructional Videotapes for Desktop Images Desktop Video, Computer Animation, Windows and the Internet. **ORDER 1-800-377-1039** Or http://www.desktopimages.com/desktop/ *********MASTERING THE TOOLS OF TOMORROW********* From Brady@desktopimages.com Sat Jun 17 11:14:28 PDT 1995 Article: 7234 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7234 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:321 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: Brady Caverly Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave, Subject: Re: Study with Ron Thornton! What do you want to learn? Date: 14 Jun 1995 20:44:08 GMT Organization: Desktop Images Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3rnhmo$6ct@news.primenet.com> References: <3qvdr1$skk@news.primenet.com> <9506090040.AA000cy@imc-a1.demon.co.uk> <3rhvtg$8u4@news.primenet.com> <3riedc$g9v@news.globalone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip022.lax.primenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) davewarner@globalone.net () wrote: >I'm wondering if my list made it to the rest of you guys? I posted at least >a half dozen things I'd like to see on the tape (one of them being thruster >flare control) but I'm not sure if it ever made it out to the rest of the >world, since nobody replied to it....it was cross-posted to the old >newsgroup too. > >Am I just being paranoid or are my messages not getting out properly? Maybe >this is why I'm getting old messages through the mailing lists! I don't think I got your message. And it's not on my provider's server now. Did you save a copy in your outbox that you can send again? PS. I sympathize. I've been using Netscape for Usenet and I've had a hell of a time posting... plus it doesn't save my outgoing messages. Myabe it's time to turn to a devoted program -- Brady Caverly Instructional Videotapes for Desktop Images Desktop Video, Computer Animation, Windows and the Internet. **ORDER 1-800-377-1039** Or http://www.desktopimages.com/desktop/ *********MASTERING THE TOOLS OF TOMORROW********* From bman2@ix.netcom.com Sat Jun 17 11:14:07 PDT 1995 Article: 7235 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7235 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: bman2@ix.netcom.com (Brenden Mecleary ) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Surface annoyance Date: 14 Jun 1995 20:48:39 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 35 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3rnhv7$n11@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-esc-ca1-26.ix.netcom.com In bhood@netcom.com (robert hood) writes: > >I have a minor annoyance with Surfaces, and I can't seem to find an >explanation in my manuals (or maybe I'm just not looking hard enough). > >I've modelled two objects, and specified surface names for each as I should. >When I bring them into Layout, I assign surfaces to them (very simple surface >colors from the 'rgb' and 'flat' directories). Then, after a few more scene >adjustments, I save the scene. > >However, later, when I reload the scene, my objects are once again assigned >the default surface color. I have to re-assign surfaces each time I load >the scene. I know I'm doing something wrong, but what is it? > >Sorry for the newbie question, but I've only been using LW for about >two weeks. > >Regards, >Bob All the surfaces in LW are saved in the object file, not the scene file. If you want the surfaces to remain with the object, enter the objects panel (after your surfaces are ready), and choose save object. Say yes to overwriting the existing file, and now whenever you load the scene, the surfaces will be there. This way, you can use the same object in several scenes without recreating the surfaces over and over again. Brenden Mecleary bman2@ix.netcom.com From argon@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Sat Jun 17 11:14:14 PDT 1995 Article: 7236 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7236 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!skypoint.com!news3.mr.net!mr.net!news.mr.net!urvile.msus.edu!tigger.stcloud.msus.edu!ARGON From: argon@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Surface annoyance Date: 14 Jun 1995 21:11:16 GMT Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3rnj9k$ed4@urvile.MSUS.EDU> References: Reply-To: argon@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu In article , bhood@netcom.com (robert hood) writes: >I have a minor annoyance with Surfaces, and I can't seem to find an >explanation in my manuals (or maybe I'm just not looking hard enough). > >I've modelled two objects, and specified surface names for each as I should. >When I bring them into Layout, I assign surfaces to them (very simple surface >colors from the 'rgb' and 'flat' directories). Then, after a few more scene >adjustments, I save the scene. > >However, later, when I reload the scene, my objects are once again assigned >the default surface color. I have to re-assign surfaces each time I load >the scene. I know I'm doing something wrong, but what is it? > >Sorry for the newbie question, but I've only been using LW for about >two weeks. > Hi Bob, you must save your objects to save your surfaces. Saving your scene won't do it. Hope this helps. >Bob ^(===)^ >-------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-- >-------------------- >bhoo---------------------------------------------- >rbh@evolving.com | ftp://l >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From johnc@MCS.COM Sat Jun 17 11:14:38 PDT 1995 Article: 7237 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7237 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: johnc@MCS.COM (John Crookshank) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: NT slower than 3legd dog Explained at last! Date: 14 Jun 1995 18:59:28 -0500 Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3rnt50$7ar@Venus.mcs.com> References: <3rfelk$ki4@cnj.digex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.mcs.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.0 (SOUP) *UNREGISTERED* On 11-Jun-95 19:03:16, jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) wrote: > If you use a very small monitor > (preferably a 1.5" diagonal B/W -color is a real time hog) and a very > short cable of about 6"-8" your system will give you the fastest > rendering times possible. Aha! John. I think you've hit something there. Most Toaster owners use a 15khz monitor, and most PC's are using monitors capable of 30-60khz or better. Could this be why a P100 renders faster than an Amiga? Simply because it sends the data out to the monitor at 3-6 times the rate? And all along we thought it had something to do with the CPU! To think of the money I wasted on an accelerator, when I could simply have bought a new multisync monitor instead... JC -- ,-------------------------------------------------------, / John Crookshank johnc@mcs.com / ( MicroTech Solutions, Inc. ( \ http://www.mcs.net/~johnc/www/MicroTech.html \ `-------------------------------------------------------` From cjtsui@delphi.com Sat Jun 17 11:14:41 PDT 1995 Article: 7238 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7238 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: cjtsui@delphi.com Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Michael Jackson Video Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 19:38:27 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1d.delphi.com A friend of mine saw the making of MJ s's new video and saw that the 3D stuff was done with Lightwave!!! cool!!! Now i can show this to my Alias comrades and show off :) From animhous@evansville.net Sat Jun 17 11:13:39 PDT 1995 Article: 7239 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7239 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:322 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!info.evansville.net!NewsWatcher!user From: animhous@evansville.net (Gary Davis) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: Specs On CD Cover Res Date: 14 Jun 1995 23:38:55 GMT Organization: Animation House Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <3r2ml7$jtq@flood.xnet.com> <3r4b48$r97@metro.atlanta.com> <3rlhg1$3tn@studio.origin.ea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp11.evansville.net > Not being a printer, I wouldn't want to guess what a given halftone > spacing implies about the required pixel resolution of the source, so > my question remains: If the size of the printed image is known, why > wouldn't a printer who accepts digital artwork be able to tell me what > pixel resolution he needs? Why am I supposed to know that? > > - Ernie For the printing industry, pixel depth (dpi) is directly related to the line screen (lpi) used for printing. The industry standard that we have used for years is that for optimal image quality, pixel depth (resolution) is optimally double that of the desired lpi (lines per inch). LPI for a printed peice should be determined before image creation so that the proper pixel depth can be maintained without resorting to interpolation This can cause a loss of definition and produce artifacting - similar to what happens when you use a low resolution texture map on a 3D object and then get very close to it with the "virtual" camera. Your lpi needs are determined by what type of printing you are having done. Newspaper and 'quickprint' jobs are normally printed at approximately 85 lpi which would make the optimal image resolution at 170 dpi. 133 lpi was a common standard for offset printing for a long time (magazines, brochures) so 266 dpi produces a very good image. 150 and 200 lpi is more common for a lot of today's very detailed, color rich printing work where, as you might have already guessed, 300 and 400 dpi respectively, is the desired resolution. Printing at 200 lpi or more becomes much harder to hold dot gain to a minimum because so many individual dots are being placed in such a minute area. This should be left to printers with the proper equipment and expertise so to minimize dot gain which "muddies up" the printed piece. Once your printer/service bureau knows what type of print job you want produced and at what lpi it will be printed, (he should be able to make a recommendation at least) - that should determine at what dpi your images should be produced. -- animhous@evansville.net From maturney@acad.ursinus.edu Sat Jun 17 11:14:52 PDT 1995 Article: 7240 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7240 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.ursinus.edu!acad.ursinus.edu!maturney From: maturney@acad.ursinus.edu Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Which nt computer do I buy with ~7k? Message-ID: <1995Jun14.200918.1332@acad.ursinus.edu> Date: 14 Jun 95 20:09:18 EST Organization: Ursinus College Lines: 19 In two weeks I plan to purchase a fast windows nt system. I have my eye on a micron pentium 120 with 64 megs edo ram, 17" .26 monitor, 2 gigs system, 18 gigs for the perception (hopefully when it comes out in two weeks), all fast and I think wide scsi, and other trinkets like a 6x drive, etc. The system price is about $7300 with nt. My question is, should I consider buying an alpha, if there are any in the same price range? Will windows programs, like adobe premier, in:sync's razor pro, and other pc 16 bit applications run on nt in an alpha? I want the fastest machine for the money, I want to cut down on 3d and 2d renders. Or should I consider a dual pentium with the old neptune chipset, even though many of the programs I'll be dealing with don't have the ability to multithread (I think). This is a big investment for me, so I would be forever greatfull. In case it helps, I'll be using the dps perception as the center of a nonlinear edit suite, and I'll be doing animations as well. I'll be using premiere, razor pro, and maybe the new dvision when it comes out. Thanks so much, Mark Turney maturney@acad.ursinus.edu From aq722@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Sat Jun 17 11:13:52 PDT 1995 Article: 7241 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7241 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aq722 From: aq722@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Gregor) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: PCs - i`m sick of hearing about `em!! Date: 15 Jun 1995 00:27:18 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3rnup6$oa8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> References: <3qllf5$5f0@dux.dundee.ac.uk> <3rcg05$hi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <3rjaoa$3fa@news.xmission.com> Reply-To: aq722@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Gregor) NNTP-Posting-Host: kanga.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, dingebre@xmission.xmission.com (David Ingebretsen) says: >I'm glad that you can see the future 'cuz no one else can. Your analysis I can't see the future, but I can certainly see the present, and it doesn't look good for the Amiga. Part of the reason for the nasty tone of my message is that I am pissed off that the Amiga is dying and forcing everyone to use PCs, when the Amiga is according to most anyway a lot nicer of an environment to work in and with. IMHO, all but the most closed minded will admit that the Amiga is a nicer machine than the PC (save for speed etc) but also all but the most closed minded will admit that the PC is a huge and growing market while the Amiga is a small and shrinking one. It is very, very hard to reverse a trend like that. If the likes of Unix and Mac cannot fight the PC, how can Amiga do it? I do not see any way. But let us all hope that it will happen anway. I would absolutely love to be wrong. John From davhebel@delphi.com Sat Jun 17 11:15:08 PDT 1995 Article: 7242 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7242 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: davhebel@delphi.com Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Realtime LW input... Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 20:28:53 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1e.delphi.com X-To: Sean C. Cunningham Sean C. Cunningham writes: >I've got a plug-in idea, and I won't even charge you if you wanna write it ;) > >How about a plug-in that reads the mouseport in realtime right into a >channel, er, I mean an envelope. In fact, it could read two channels of >info at the same time, or should allow this as an option. > >The possibilities for such a plugin are numerous. I'm mainly interested in >using it to apply a handheld look to camera movement. Any takers? I think MetroGraphx has something like this for the Amiga already it is called Mouse Recorder. The adverstising states - " The MouseRecorder gives you a scratch pad screen to scrub the mouse on. The movement is captured in real time and can be written to a envelope or motion file. The motion file can have the data applied to any channel and scaled to any values." David Hebel Dimension Technologies From cjtsui@delphi.com Sat Jun 17 11:14:47 PDT 1995 Article: 7243 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7243 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: cjtsui@delphi.com Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Glow Effect (Where is it?) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 19:40:37 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: <3r2rfk$rhm@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> <3rifag$qdd@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1d.delphi.com X-To: Brenden Mecleary In one of the mags from England is an article previewing LW 4, its a good article and has some examples of the new effects like GLOW. Its the latest issue and the cover has a 3D motorcycle on it (sorry, forgot the title). later From chinam@ix.netcom.com Sat Jun 17 11:14:48 PDT 1995 Article: 7244 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7244 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:323 comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio:3017 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: chinam@ix.netcom.com (Chi Nam ) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio Subject: PC's Targa files >> Toater's Framestore files Date: 15 Jun 1995 00:58:42 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3ro0k2$ehj@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-ir13-26.ix.netcom.com Hello every one, Do you know any utilities on the net that help convert PC's TARGA files to TOASTER's framestore files? Thanks for any info. :-) From jmacleod@Direct.CA Sat Jun 17 11:14:03 PDT 1995 Article: 7245 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7245 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!news.Direct.CA!usenet From: jmacleod@Direct.CA (James Macleod) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: what about hardware...? Date: 15 Jun 1995 00:45:06 GMT Organization: Internet Direct Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <3rnvqi$qca@stud.Direct.CA> References: <3rmrsl$bdt@expert.cc.purdue.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn-305.direct.ca X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article <3rmrsl$bdt@expert.cc.purdue.edu>, snafu@expert.cc.purdue.edu (The Artist) says: > >so, i've got the computer coming, i'm waiting for >LW v4.0 for windows, and now i need to make the final >decisions on hardware. my main interest of opinion >is in everyone's video cards. right now, i'm >not going to be albe to use my old Diamond viper, >since i want to take advantage of my PCI slot >(it's a 100Mhz Intel Pentium, endevor chipset) ^^^^^^^ What is that? Who makes that chipset? If you can try and get one with the Triton Chipset. >so, what card would people recommend. this >machine isn't only a LW box, so i don't know if >getting a card designed for 3D acceleration >will hurt my WordPerfect performance, Do not bother buying anything with 3D accel. Let it mature first, and besides, LW does not support it yet. Unless there is something else you will be doing. I am using a Mach64 right now. It has good NT performance. Other people are using a variety of cards. I think they are all pretty good now, as long as you dont run and buy some freaky ass weird thing no one has ever heard of. :) From dingebre@xmission.xmission.com Sat Jun 17 11:13:08 PDT 1995 Article: 7246 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:326 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7246 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!xmission!xmission!dingebre From: dingebre@xmission.xmission.com (David Ingebretsen) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LOW Dangle Followup-To: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Date: 14 Jun 1995 22:36:37 GMT Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3rno9l$3jk@news.xmission.com> References: <3rf7s9$93s@lucy.infi.net> <3rho8b$bm2@news.globalone.net> <3rk4u2$20i@carrera.inc.net> <3rmu10$3kh@carrera.inc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] John Foust (syndesis@beta.inc.net) wrote: : >PS: IF ANYONE FROM NEWTEK READS THIS, 1) THE DONGLE DOES NOT STOP PIRACY. I'VE SEEN : >BROKEN COPIES OF LW FLOATING AROUND. 2) I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME BETTER : >SUGGESTIONS FOR PROTECTING YOUR SOFTWARE AS THAT'S WHAT I USED TO DO FOR A LIVING. : 1. The dongle *does* stop piracy. It also stops people from purchasing software. I don't mind my Toaster dongle, as it is actually useful. I do resent having to start the switcher just to run LW however. I will not buy the stand alone version of LW -because- it has a dongle. Dongles are obnoxious, fraught with problems, and in general, a major pain. I applaud companies like RealSoft, makers of Real3D, that actually have removed the dongle protection in their newest version. On a different note, I see ads quite often in BYTE and other mags, from companies that advertise products to break the copy protection schemes of such greats as 3D Studio, AutoCAD, etc. Dongles don't stop piracy, they make a new market for those who break copy protections schemes. When AutoDesk comes up with a new scheme, the other guys figure it out and update their protection breaking product. : 2. Oh, please share with us the "gadzillion" friendly methods for : protecting software from pirates. -- David David M. Ingebretsen *** Binary Illusions / 3D Physics *** dingebre@xmission.xmission.com *** Animation and more *** From mbc@po.cwru.edu Sat Jun 17 11:15:11 PDT 1995 Article: 7247 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7247 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!po.cwru.edu!mbc From: mbc@po.cwru.edu (Michael B. Comet) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: LW3D FAQ Posted to comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Date: 15 Jun 1995 01:44:22 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3ro39n$rkk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mbc-ra.s-remote.cwru.edu X-Newsreader: CWRU GnomeNews for Windows Please note the first version of the FAQ has been posted to comp.graphics.apps.lightwave as of 6/14/1995 Wed. Mike Comet mbc@po.cwru.edu -- /* * Michael B. Comet - mbc@po.cwru.edu * http://inswww.ins.cwru.edu:8000/staff/comet/comet.html */ From chen@oleum.zso.dec.com Sat Jun 17 11:14:50 PDT 1995 Article: 7248 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7248 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!venus.sun.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news1.digital.com!pa.dec.com!oleum.zso.dec.com!chen From: chen@oleum.zso.dec.com (Chao Chen) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: More benchmark results Date: 15 Jun 1995 01:00:31 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Palo Alto, CA, USA Lines: 31 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3ro0nf$b8d@usenet.pa.dec.com> References: <3rbln7$bgn@panix3.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: oleum.zso.dec.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Charles Sung Lee (vector@panix.com) wrote: : Aspen Alpha Windows NT 64MB 8.26MB 5min 49 sec. : 275Mhz Workstation : 21064 3.50 I'm curious, has anyone run this benchmark on a multi-processor Alpha system? For example, the quad-275Mhz 2100 system for Windows NT. If so, how does the time compare? Does multi-processor help LW much? : BTW, there is one thing I'd like to ask to all NT users out there. Every : 11 seconds (or so) there is a System process which jumps to ~100% on the : performance meter. This happens to slow down the real-time preview when it : occurs and I'm wondering if there is a way to reduce the instance of this : system process occuring. Does this occurs for x86, MIPS also or just Alpha? If it's just Alpha, I would be most interested in hearing more about it. Please email me. : And, I find that I have 30.9MB of RAM free when I start Lightwave (out of : 64MB). I do have the TCP/IP stack running so I can ftp to my PAR, so I'm : wondering where the huge memory drain is coming from. I guess I could : remedy the memory drain with a purchase of a 4x36 SIMM, but I'd rather not :) You have to remember that RISC binary images, by their very nature, are usually bigger than CISC binary images (especially so for Alpha which needs to generate multiple instructions for byte, short accesses to memory). That could account for some of the size increase and the eating of your memory. How much memory does LW usually consume on other platforms (MIPS, x86)? I would expect that Alpha memory consumption model should be fairly close to that of MIPS. From ind02197@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu Sat Jun 17 11:14:40 PDT 1995 Article: 7249 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7249 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!rsg1.er.usgs.gov!darwin.sura.net!news.cc.ucf.edu!pegasus!ind02197 From: ind02197@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Independent Account 2197) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Editing on PAR Date: 15 Jun 1995 00:19:33 GMT Organization: University of Central Florida Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3rnual$4ma@news.cc.ucf.edu> References: <3riej9$sqc@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3rk2c2$a0o@metro.atlanta.com> <3rkah8$4tf@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pegasus.cc.ucf.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] : The key word is "directly". To date, Razor Pro and Razor Pro NT are : the only video editing apps that directly support the PAR and : Perception. DPS has talked for some time about releasing a set of : conversion utilities that will make AVI aware apps see native ANI : files as AVI. The downside to this approach is that you don't have : "real time" effects, etc. Stick with Razor Pro! I see that the recommended system for running Razor Pro is a Pentium system with 24 meg ram and a decked out PAR/Microp drive. My question is real world results using the recommended system as opposed to a 486dx2-66 with adequate ram, etc. What is the average processing per frame rate for a simple 3-4 layer compostie with alpha channels on the recommended system? Just how fast to the majority of transitions render? Gregg Lukomski Digital Design Lab Orlando, FL From ladic@cs.ubc.ca Sat Jun 17 11:14:58 PDT 1995 Article: 7250 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:7250 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:331 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cs.ubc.ca!UBC!ladic From: ladic@cs.ubc.ca (Lance Ladic) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave Subject: Re: LW student pricing? Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 18:52:08 PST Organization: University of British Columbia, Canada Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <3r1mob$p99@carrera. <3r4dje$m4n@carrera.inc.net> <3rbkmk$dc4@news.xmission.co <3rk5dg$20i@carrera.inc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladic.home.cs.ubc.ca X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <3rk5dg$20i@carrera.inc.net> syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) writes: >From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) >Subject: Re: LW student pricing? >Date: 13 Jun 1995 13:56:00 GMT >In article , olsonjj@enet.net (JohnO) >says: >> >>I think companies such as Newtek should look at the bigger picture. These >>students after they graduate will go to jobs with companies that look to >>the students for new ideas. The student who has been using 3D studio or >>AutoDesk products throughout school will surely recommend those products >>and there is no training involved. >Since when do smart, hip companies turn to their "new hires" for buying >advice? This always cracks me up. If we want to talk about anecdotal >evidence, wouldn't it be more likely that a company looks to their >seasoned, experienced employees? Wouldn't they more likely take the >advice of some lazy-ass middle-manager who didn't know what they were >talking about? :-) (See almost any Dilbert for more examples, or >more likely, ask anyone with a real job for a better example.) >This is all part of the college student's fantasy: that George Lucas >is going to hire them in early June, and by July, he's going to turn >to the college student with a pleading look in his eye and ask them >which 3D program to buy. Your argument would undoubtebly hold for students who are joining established CGI firms, but what you fail to acknowledge is that many students coming out of colleges/universities/art schools with 3-D animation/graphics experience are also starting up businesses themselves. It is these students who would be more likely to stick with software which they were trained with, and they would tend not to venture into "unexplored territory" (at least for the initial startup period) by purchasing unfamiliar software packages. BTW, there are many very talented students emerging into the commercial CGI scene that have as much or more talent than some of the "so-called" existing professionals. Look to the the multimedia explosion in the computer gaming industry, where 3-D rendering/animation is being used more and more, for many pertinent examples. --Lance. ladic@cs.ubc.ca